Lead free bullets and lung shot roe
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Leec6.5
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Nowt wrong with any of that
Is that your bullet shown above?
The bullet above has shed its frontal section
This happens with any non lead copper or brass bullet when run fast and/or into bone
We have tested Fox for expansion down to 2000fps, they expand well below the terminal impact of any deer legal cartridge inside 500m (2000fps is the equivalent to the terminal velocity of a 6.5x55 at 600m)
The picture above shows the step change from shank to conical point.
Even that section is showing expansion
I think my scales need a clean.
Hi Ed, I should have weighed the bullet to see how much weight it had lost.
Maybe the petals remained in the skull and the main body carried on through (with a narrow wound channel).
But the fact remains I do now have body shot runners with little blood to track, so losing the petals may not be such a good thing as the pass through leaves a small hole. If I could get results like Fireblade I would be a happy chappie, that looks perfect to me.
I have quite a few loaded Fox rounds so will switch to shoulder/hilar shots and see how much damage I get. Nothing remains the same in life, maybe this is one such example.
foxdropper
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For on the spot drop with a chest shot aim a tad higher ,4 inch below the spine .Find this drops 99% of deer on the spot .
Weird, people get all excited when someone calls a bullet a head but when someone calls a head a round, not an eyebrow is lifted!
shakey jake
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it annoys me but so does the improper use of calibre. as @Ratel pointed out i am a pedantic git
Rutland lad
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I’ll comment again on this post.
Last night 1750hrs I shot a muntjac buck at 86m completely broadside through the shoulders. Dropped on the spot.
At 1820hrs another one showed itself on the ride - also broadside at 75m, but moving determinedly across the ride. A shout didn’t halt it, it kept going. I took a shot again at the shoulder but got it about 3” back. Saw and heard it hit and saw it run off. As it was near last light I packed up and went to look for it. Blow me it had got about 35/40m before expiring as they do in a big patch of briar and sharp things. No obvious blood trail. Despair reigned. widened my search knowing it had taken a good hit. initial thermal search didn’t reveal it until I squatted down and the thermal could ‘see’ under the thick vegetation. Gralloch showed shot had taken off both lungs at top, but it still had enough adrenaline and strength to run that distance.
Was the Fox Classic Hunter in 6.5x55 defective in any way ?
No - I was by about 3”.
And still I read that non toxic is not good enough. Yesterday I wasn’t good enough.
Last night 1750hrs I shot a muntjac buck at 86m completely broadside through the shoulders. Dropped on the spot.
At 1820hrs another one showed itself on the ride - also broadside at 75m, but moving determinedly across the ride. A shout didn’t halt it, it kept going. I took a shot again at the shoulder but got it about 3” back. Saw and heard it hit and saw it run off. As it was near last light I packed up and went to look for it. Blow me it had got about 35/40m before expiring as they do in a big patch of briar and sharp things. No obvious blood trail. Despair reigned. widened my search knowing it had taken a good hit. initial thermal search didn’t reveal it until I squatted down and the thermal could ‘see’ under the thick vegetation. Gralloch showed shot had taken off both lungs at top, but it still had enough adrenaline and strength to run that distance.
Was the Fox Classic Hunter in 6.5x55 defective in any way ?
No - I was by about 3”.
And still I read that non toxic is not good enough. Yesterday I wasn’t good enough.
Leec6.5
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That bloke talks a lot of shite
Each to their own, 7x57 comes on Friday and thats means more non lead projectiles!
Lovely
StephenToast
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You only need a dog if you shoot non-lead then?
What a load of tripe! My experience, like for like. No discenrable difference in terms of reaction to shot/distance run between lead and non-lead but better meat recovery.
I don't get all these reports saying deer are running further? I must be doing something different to everyone else because mine aren't.
Or maybe it's because I shoot the mighty .30-06?
StephenToast
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Not really because in ny experience anyway. That's not the case.
Leec6.5
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In an ideal world game dealers Do you not want anything really isn’t shot in the head!
robfromcumbria
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I've only had brilliant results in my .308 from custom loaded Hasler Arietes 138gr. Bloody accurate and definitely the 'bang / flop' result! Loving them and wouldnt go back to lead now (this has been across Red / Roe / Fallow).
Simple answer is that if you want a bang-flop with copper bullets you need speed, add distance and you'll start losing that at an alarming rate so hitting bones is preferable.
Roe doe last night, both shoulders broken, heart/lung area severed.
Turned off from 220m...
Roe doe last night, both shoulders broken, heart/lung area severed.
Turned off from 220m...
No surprises there. Wanna have bang flops? Don’t go for the double lung shot!
Some bloke In New Zealand has been knowledgably banging on about why that is a bad idea for ages!
Alan
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