.243 Win won't make the energy with black powder. Struggles with nitro in a 20"
Legal Advice- is there a 3000 ft lbs limit for UK deer use ? Some police forces believe there is.
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.243 Win won't make the energy with black powder. Struggles with nitro in a 20"
Blooming 'eck , Join 2023 ! We have smokeless Nitro and copper bullets LOL !.243 Win won't make the energy with black powder. Struggles with nitro in a 20"
No fun in that, though I can do copper.
Legal speed / Energy in Scotland / England and Wales ? All uk Deer?
It is hell.
Its in line with most of the Police Support roles.... which are in the main part, relatively low skill level jobs/trained in house/ paperwork admin type roles.
Why not?
If your good reason really is genuine, and you're not prohibited from holding firearms, it can't really be refused.
Stalker-of-the-deer
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I have a 300wm cleared for deer, a good friend of mine has a 375 h & h.
I think your over thinking thing, along as you have a good reason then your fine.
I think your over thinking thing, along as you have a good reason then your fine.
No it may be so with your licensing department but unfortunately they don’t all sing from the same song sheet..
Conor O'Gorman
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Thanks, I will look into it next week.
Stalker-of-the-deer
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You say that, mine are notoriously tight!
Possibly tight but obviously considerably more open minded than others
So you can shoot deer with your 416 Rigby then?I can only speak for the general opinion of my force, at the last point that I dealt with them.
Calibre seems to be a big deal. If the list says .30 for deer then they will grant a .30 for deer. In my case I asked for a .375 Winchester for deer and they said no. .375 is on the list for dangerous game so it's not suitable for deer. No amount of reasoning would shift them, even giving info on the energy levels etc from reputable sources which they could reference. In the next breath though, they gave me a .416 for boar. There is no list for boar so they don't have to adhere to it. At that point they seem to fall back on the fact that the smaller of the dangerous game cartridges may also be conditioned for use here once good reason has been established elsewhere - Gloucestershire read that as .416, but not .458.
The next step is to ask for the .375 Win for boar. They put AOLQ on everything anyway so the whole system is a farce. I could literally shoot a mouse with my .416 Rigby.
Its common practice in most areas to have wording to suit that or make it clear what you can do with such a rifle. Printed onto your FAC. I have seen this on large calibre range shooting guns and Big game guns . AOLQ i recon is the exception rather than the rule with the big boom sticks
There is the theory and the practice ! What will often occur is they push you right to the court steps , then settle as you walk in as they cannot afford to loose and set a president via a court ruling . How long can you wait ? How much can you spend ? Your taking them remember they have no fees .
If they want to firearms licencing can really make things difficult and expensive for the applicant
Can do. I've taken it out on a few stalks but haven't been successful with it yet. Hopefully I can change that in the coming year.
After a good long chat with my feo, he agreed that getting good familiarity with the rifle is essential for its intended use. You don't want to be fumbling about under the pressure if your buffalo stands back up again! Taking it for a wander in the woods is great practice for snap shooting at relatively close range.
Interestingly, my initial request was for a 458 Lott. It was granted, but only for range use. I put forward my argument about the field use and was basically told that the biggest cartridge the force was willing to grant was 416, so I did a variation and went for that. Having learned my level of recoil tolerance, I'm not sure how I'd have got on with the Lott.
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