level 2 expiration

[widows son]

Whether or not he shoots a deer in the next week, he is running out of time HE should phone DMQ and talk to them about the situation, money money money someone will be rubbing there hands together .

If he can live up to the criteria laid down, he'll get a level two BUT AGAIN IT is not up to the AW, it is UP TO the IV when are people going to get it into there head the AW is only there to watch and write down what he sees ,it is up to the IV to say he requires more detail on whatever part of the ICR that the candidate is lacking in.

If you don't like the persons personal safety with a firearm tell him, that you do not feel safe, to change his practises, or walk away Ive done it after stalking only 500 yards from the vehicle the guy swung through me 3 times with a rifle ,I told him I didn't like his practises and walked.

But again I don't charge for AW stalks .

The AW is only a Observer nothing more .

 

[6pointer]

Like WS i do AW witnessing and have had two chaps so far that were told this is not a Witnessed stalk any more and would be now a learning exercise. One chap took it well and he travelled from newcastle and the other who was more local was not at all happy . But i know this they will be better prepared for the next chap they go to. If the chap is not fullfilling the PC and is lacking in many areas do the best thing and tell him otherwise he will think what he is doing is acceptable

 

[IanF]

As far as I am concerned a Level 2 stalker should be safe and able to "process" a deer into the food chain safely and hygenically.

As such if I take someone out (as a CW for the few remaining that are entitled) and they safely shoot a deer (no matter how many they dont see or bump), the gralloch is then correctly carried out (no matter at what speed) and the deer lardered correctly thenproviding they answer all the questions then that is a pass??

Is it a valid part of the assessment to compare them with your own stalking ability???

Hi R,

> Regarding the first statement - you are right, that is a given. However, that is not the end of it. A DSC2 witnessed stalk is an opportunity for a competent stalker to demonstrate his/her alround competence.

>Your second point - NO, that is not a competent pass if the stalker has the deer pointed out to him - the onus is on the candidate to locate and stalk the deer, your role is purely as a witness. AW briefing is available from WMDQ in the form of a CD that provides the current witness requirements.

> No, you are not comparing with your own ability, merely recording theirs.

Rgds

Ian

 

[Dan Newcombe]

Why is the chap
a) not suitable to have an FAC
b) not someone who should be stalking.

All that we know is that he (for whatever reason, we dont know why etc) left it potentially too late to get his stalks in for level 2.

No one has said that he is dangerous and he hasnt clipped a deer and left it to run off and die. Maybe he was slow and a chance was missed but that is his problem.

If he enjoys his stalking (however succesful he happens to be) then that is just fine. He is probably trying to get level 2 because it is getting more and more 'required' (eg for FC leases), not necessarily because he wants it.

The more that level 1 and 2 become compulsory the more people will do them half arsed and the minimum required.

As for the initial question, i have no idea. Does seem a bit cheeky not to offer at least something for your time

 

[roedeerred]

Dan I dont think anyone has said he is not suitable to haveFAC
or he shoule not be stalking
mearly asking why has he left it till last minute
I someone is kind enough to take me out the very least is to show some gratitude.even if you are skint.Thank you costs nowt.
I do not charge for taking genuine ~L2 canditates out except on ground I rent but most will say thanks and give a bottle of wine or similer.in fact I get a buzz out of getting someone less fortune than myself into a deer (not allowed on witneesed stalks)

 

[Dan Newcombe]

You yourself said that 'we would be better off without him stalking' and norseman said that he doesnt think that guy should have a high powered rifle.

Yes he should have got it done but with these things coming more and more compulsory there will be more and more people just going through the motions, all systems are open to abuse.

By the sounds of it he isnt a great stalker and mayber shouldnt get his level 2 but thats to be ascertained by the final assesor on the evidence that is provided and the interview thing

And i do agree that some token of appreciation should be given (especially if no money is changing hands)

 

[flyingfisherman]

Apologies for posts on this thread which may have painted an unfair picture of the individual, even though he/she wasnt the subject. I agree that if somebody takes time to take you out and either assess you or teach you, then you owe them something, a thank you is always great, but i would always back it up with something appropriate.

I cant comment on the individuals ability to meet DSC2 requirements as im not even a DSc2 holder let alone an assesor or CW. My comments towards the individual were more to do with personality. And to put out any speculation over him/her, theyre experienced with firearms and have never worried me about safe handling of firearms.

Commenting on some thoughts, as SDD pointed out, as long as you tick all of the boxes, who cares about speed? What DSC2 is there for is to provide a benchmark in my eyes and as long as your at that standard, who cares if it takes 10 minutes to gralloch or 1 hour. OK personally i may find it tedious but the boxes have still been ticked.

Regarding the 3 year period, i agree that its difficult to get land/AW and deer in the same place at the same time let alone have a successful stalk. We all have different circumstances.. What is important is that when opportunities arise, we make the most of them, if it takes 2 years, 10 months and an extension then sobeit.

 

[shootingduckdog]

Ian, ta for that. To be clear I have not pointed out a single deer to him until after it is running away!!!! The first night he saw 3 and I saw 11, I was 10ft behind him!!

and finally............................. I rang BASC and got the answer to my original question, the expiry date is the date by which they have to RECEIVE the portfolio so that makes tonights stalk pretty pointless.

 

[roedeerred]

SDD is it pointless can you not use it as a teaching Session.never having met the person I have played devils advocate it was never ment to be a personal slight on any individual. Perhaps people reading this will have learnt somthing from it.I may seem to be a grumpy old git but I take my stalking seriously if I am trusted with shooting deer I want it done to the best standards I can and expect others to do their best.