Brithunter
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Whoops what a mistaker to maker
I had not seen photos of the action open and it is not a falling block but a break action after all.................................. sorry about that.Modern takedown rifles
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Whoops what a mistaker to maker
I had not seen photos of the action open and it is not a falling block but a break action after all.................................. sorry about that.
Deer Assassin
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Ooooohhhh i want one... where can i buy it?!?!
Hornet 6
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Pine Marten,
Whilst not too fussed about blue & walnut, I must admit I've long admired the Blaser single barrels. There are several other makes, too; even some French ones (not that the French know much about shooting, according to my grandfather)
A single break barrel rifle is not as practical as my Blaser R8 (which also come apart in <30 secs), but they're very pretty and would do almost everything you suggest you wanted when we were talking.
Sportsman in Exeter had one last winter in 7x57. very nice; was tempted myself, but the wife didn't want it as Christmas present.
SikaJames
PS: I've started a thread to break your duck !
Whilst not too fussed about blue & walnut, I must admit I've long admired the Blaser single barrels. There are several other makes, too; even some French ones (not that the French know much about shooting, according to my grandfather)
A single break barrel rifle is not as practical as my Blaser R8 (which also come apart in <30 secs), but they're very pretty and would do almost everything you suggest you wanted when we were talking.
Sportsman in Exeter had one last winter in 7x57. very nice; was tempted myself, but the wife didn't want it as Christmas present.
SikaJames
PS: I've started a thread to break your duck !
Pine Marten
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Hello James.
Yes, Chapuis Armes make them, or at least did, and I do really like them but I'm going to stick with a standard configuration as pretty much all the takedown/single barrel arrangements that I like require a doubling of my budget, so I'm putting this in the Fantasy Shopping file for now. As for your grandfather's opinion on the French and shooting, until recently it was pretty much a shotgun-only country apart from Alsace, so rifle shooting is a relative newcomer to the scene. Well, outside of military and conflict situations obviously. Certainly I'm not aware that target shooting is very popular at all. Shooting's more a means to an end than for its' own sake: hunting (fun), fairgrounds (fun) and conflict (not fun).
Yes, Chapuis Armes make them, or at least did, and I do really like them but I'm going to stick with a standard configuration as pretty much all the takedown/single barrel arrangements that I like require a doubling of my budget, so I'm putting this in the Fantasy Shopping file for now. As for your grandfather's opinion on the French and shooting, until recently it was pretty much a shotgun-only country apart from Alsace, so rifle shooting is a relative newcomer to the scene. Well, outside of military and conflict situations obviously. Certainly I'm not aware that target shooting is very popular at all. Shooting's more a means to an end than for its' own sake: hunting (fun), fairgrounds (fun) and conflict (not fun).
Pine Marten
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Thanks, that's not embarrassing at all. Interesting expression by the way, I've never heard it before.
Pine Marten
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In case anyone's in a position to act on this, I've had an answer from Luxus Arms:
"Hello,
we do not currently have a dealer/ distributor in the UK or Europe. If you could recommend the best sources in your area we can contact them. We would like to establish a dealer /ditributor in the UK and European market.
Thank you for the interest in the Model 11.
Best Regards,
Clay Barker
Luxus[SUP]®[/SUP] Arms LLC.
222 Homan Way
Mt. Orab, Ohio 45154 USAPhone: 937-444-6500"
Orion
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I suppose it depends on your personal requirements as to whether one type of rifle is more 'practical' than another?
I've always previously gone for bolt guns but recently acquired a Heym single barrel break action kipplauf in 7x57 with a Zeiss 6x42 on swing-off mounts. Comes apart in a few seconds and packs down to a 600x400 case size - not that either of those points are my primary reasons for getting it. I wanted a short, lightweight, accurate, relatively low recoiling rifle for primarily woodland stalking on any size of deer, and can't really think of many occasions when I've needed to get off a fast second shot when stalking for sport. The fact that it is a excellent example of German gunsmithing and beautiful to boot just enhance the experience of owning it.
The question is apparently, are we hunters or shooters?
http://www.holtsauctioneers.com/Admin Stuff/In The Gun Room/March 2012.pdf
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deeangeo
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A single break barrel rifle is not as practical as my Blaser R8 SikaJamesQUOTE]
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at this viewpoint, and it rather depends what's considered 'Practical'.
I have used my Blaser K95 now for nine years on the hill & have stalked and shot many hinds & calves using it.
Certainly, to use a break action, especially one without an auto ejection facility, does require a reloading 'Technique', but in all that time, I've been able to take beast in relatively quick succession where it's been required.
Also, a great benefit of an accurate rifle and experience, is, I've never had to track a lost beast.
Damn! now I've said that something will probably go wrong next time out.
I suspect if you used one SJ, you may change your point of view....but then, you have an R8, a very good rifle, so why would you change!
Cheers
Pine Marten
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Has anyone ever actually seen, handled or shot the Verney Carron Impact Plus Takedown?
Les Carabines Take Down
It's not the prettiest rifle but it does appear to do the business at not insane prices.
Les Carabines Take Down
It's not the prettiest rifle but it does appear to do the business at not insane prices.
What about this one?
guntrader.co.uk - Browning .22 LR Takedown Semi-Auto Second Hand Rifle
Had one out in Botswana as a kid. Lots of fun.
David.
guntrader.co.uk - Browning .22 LR Takedown Semi-Auto Second Hand Rifle
Had one out in Botswana as a kid. Lots of fun.
David.
8x57
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I've seen them and handled one in France but not shot one. The photograph doesn't do them justice they are actually quite stylish but in a different sort of way. I am told that they shoot well but haven't seen this for myself. I don't know if any have ever been sold in the U.K.
Gibbs take down on a MS action on the Holts Auction.
http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp/fullCatalogue.asp?salelot=A1064+++1105+&refno=+++56936&saletype=
David.
http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp/fullCatalogue.asp?salelot=A1064+++1105+&refno=+++56936&saletype=
David.
wannabecanuck
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Browning also make a take down lever action in centrefire for all you wannabe cowboys out there
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?fid=003B&cid=034&tid=012&bg=x
Pine Marten
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I've seen a few of these at auction previews and I've never managed to work out how to take them down. I suspect that you're just supposed to detach the mechanism from the stock which can't do accuracy any good. Someone here must know about these rifles.
Pine Marten
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Ah right, so it's just the barrel that comes off and the receiver stays attached to the stock then. I was looking at a couple of ones with stutzen stocks and there didn't appear to be a way of dismantling the forend so I was confused. It could of course just me that Holt's keep messing up the description of that particular model.
Can you buy 6.5x54 ammunition these days? Would one of these still have a decent enough barrel for use in stalking?
Can you buy 6.5x54 ammunition these days? Would one of these still have a decent enough barrel for use in stalking?
Brithunter
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Not sure who makes 6.5x54MS ammunition now. RWS used to as did Norma. Funnily enough whilst looking for cases for the cartridge board request I discovered that the tub marked up with my 6.5x54MS cases is missing. Seems the Police took them along with other stuff strange how more common stuff was left behind 
the tub contained a quantity of new unprimed RWS brass too.
As for barrels well Ron Wharton of Rigby found me a new in the White Steyr made barrel in 6.5x54MS to fit on my Model 1903. he was too busy to fit it so he passed the work onto Lewis Potter so I have a brand new barrel on my Schoenauer. The rifle was originally a take down as the tang has the notch for the shoe to lock into. On their take downs the action does come out of the stock but a shore that the tang mates to remains and is the bedding point. The trigger guards and magazine remain in the stock released by a catch at the front. The front receiver screw is undone fr the action to lift free and the wedge in the fore stock pushed to one side.
Sadly mine is no longer a take down as at some point in it's past it was placed into a normal stock that was vastly reduced in size to fit a small women or a child which is why it needs re-stocking to finish it off. What was supposed to be a cheap Schoenauer has turned out to be anything but cheap but it almost a new rifle now.
Ahhh it seems that Privi is at least making new brass in 6.5x54MS:-
http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/12644
Of course that does not mean the British importers will help get any of course. Notice they also list dies on the same page and Hornady 160 grain RNSP bullets. I am lucky it seems as my new barrel shoots the Speer 120 grain bullets quite well too in the limited testing I was able to do before moving to Lincs.
Oh yes the groove diameter of my new barrel is 0.268" bore size is 0.256" which appears normal for Steyr barrels as my vintage Rigby finished Model 1892 also has the same bore and groove dimensions.
As most were used solely for stalking and it's quite a small capacity case and mild mannered too barrels unless abused or neglected last a long time so yes finding a nice Schoenauer with a good barrel is not too difficult. Of course the daft Scottish velocity restriction helped as they unless one hand loads with lighter bullets or one finds a cache of the Kynoch ammunition with lighter bullets are not legal in Scotland.
Hope that is of some interest to you.
the tub contained a quantity of new unprimed RWS brass too.As for barrels well Ron Wharton of Rigby found me a new in the White Steyr made barrel in 6.5x54MS to fit on my Model 1903. he was too busy to fit it so he passed the work onto Lewis Potter so I have a brand new barrel on my Schoenauer. The rifle was originally a take down as the tang has the notch for the shoe to lock into. On their take downs the action does come out of the stock but a shore that the tang mates to remains and is the bedding point. The trigger guards and magazine remain in the stock released by a catch at the front. The front receiver screw is undone fr the action to lift free and the wedge in the fore stock pushed to one side.
Sadly mine is no longer a take down as at some point in it's past it was placed into a normal stock that was vastly reduced in size to fit a small women or a child which is why it needs re-stocking to finish it off. What was supposed to be a cheap Schoenauer has turned out to be anything but cheap but it almost a new rifle now.
Ahhh it seems that Privi is at least making new brass in 6.5x54MS:-
http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/12644
Of course that does not mean the British importers will help get any of course. Notice they also list dies on the same page and Hornady 160 grain RNSP bullets. I am lucky it seems as my new barrel shoots the Speer 120 grain bullets quite well too in the limited testing I was able to do before moving to Lincs.
Oh yes the groove diameter of my new barrel is 0.268" bore size is 0.256" which appears normal for Steyr barrels as my vintage Rigby finished Model 1892 also has the same bore and groove dimensions.
As most were used solely for stalking and it's quite a small capacity case and mild mannered too barrels unless abused or neglected last a long time so yes finding a nice Schoenauer with a good barrel is not too difficult. Of course the daft Scottish velocity restriction helped as they unless one hand loads with lighter bullets or one finds a cache of the Kynoch ammunition with lighter bullets are not legal in Scotland.
Hope that is of some interest to you.
Brithunter
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You flatter me.. I was composing a reply as you posted it seems. Yes it's one of my interest cartridges owning two Mannlichers like I do in 6.5mm:-
That's the new barrel fitted.
Now you see why it requires a replacement stock.
With some period accessories.
The Model 1892 finished by Rigby for a Mr Dent of London. Sorry the picture is a scan of an old 35mm photo.
Years ago I developed a hand load that shot to the sights using Hornady 160 grain RNSP and Reloader 19 powder. It shot correctly at 100 and 200 yards which was as far as I tested it on Bilsey's Short Siberia range.
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