New DNT Zulus V2
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It's about f2.4 for both
Good for depth of field but way behind the f1.2 on the full fat Alpex
4K lite is f2.0
Cheers
Bruce
Pellet Pinger
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Theres the conundrum sacrifice performance for weight?
As said the Lite seems to have less base mag than the bigger 4K for starters and certainly in those last minutes considerably less performance.
To be fair if you haven’t looked through either you probably would be none the wiser but having the bigger one i can see from the vid there’s a big difference when it matters.
As said the Lite seems to have less base mag than the bigger 4K for starters and certainly in those last minutes considerably less performance.
To be fair if you haven’t looked through either you probably would be none the wiser but having the bigger one i can see from the vid there’s a big difference when it matters.
Freeforester
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Interesting title Glass v digital, a bit light on the ‘glass’ aspect. The comparison is a little skewed though, as the glass option was not shown with the addition of light, which was made available to the digital scopes. Without the addition of the light, the digital nv’s are only marginally better within regular hours ( up to one hour after sunset).
Re weight/performance penalty: Add about 100gr on your existing glass scope with a torch holder of your choice and a small LEP torch like the £76 Vastlite minima bow, and not bother zeroing your kit if you hop from one to ‘tother.
No spill, minimum weight, superior vision, minimal disturbance to existing setup, if a zoom scope, nothing impeding your adjustment. And quite some change in your pocket: it’s an option.
Point being, there is an alternative in the weight v performance conundrum.
Pellet Pinger
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Eh? there was no additional light in any part of it, only ambient light, thats the whole point of the video!
This demonstrates how digital nv is FAR superior to glass in low light, not marginal.
Freeforester
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Understood; I would suggest my observations/possible lighter weight alternative be restricted to once the glass one is otherwise using begins to fail in terms of low light gathering.
Foxyboy43
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Yep and several years ago I found that even a relatively simple by current standards Pard 007 transformed light gathering on a traditional glass scope. I suspect anyone who says different has yet to try a digital scope….
Freeforester
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This is undoubtedly true, nothing works too well if it’s not switched on; in an ideal world we’d be getting a glass like sight picture from NV, but that only works with tubed plus illumination, and even then it is usually less clear than decent glass and decent illumination of the sort LEP provides.
Having owned and used a PVS 14, Pard 007 and 008LRF and tried the v1 Zulus I’m aware of their various advantages and disadvantages (eye relief constraints is another factor in the case of the 007/add ons), that’s why I’ve personally gone back to sticking with my lightweight (Swaro) glass, albeit with LEP illumination, I’m too fond of a) the lighter weight and lesser bulk, and b) the unaltered and clear sight picture without any compromise it offers compared to the other choices I’ve tried.
But each to their own!
Pellet Pinger
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All of the digital you state above is old hat now, you probably need to try some more as none of them have the light gathering ability of the new gen types like the Pulsar C50 or Alpex.
Last light shooting sticking a torch on glass? you’re way behind here im afraid, things have moved on because no glass with a torch will allow you to see a full sight picture many hundreds of yards beyond your quarry whereas digital does without illumination.
A few minutes before last legal light.
Freeforester
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Contrarian perhaps Bruce, but not cantankerous, surely - maybe it’s the ivermectin!PP, being cantankerous is Freeforesters stock in trade
Cheers
Bruce
In having a range of 700+ metres of ‘all in focus’ viewing is no disadvantage; achieving this via a small, sub 100g addition to my usual scope gives me quite enough to see and do what I need to, personally; there’s more than one way of ‘skinning the cat’.
There is too, admittedly a big difference between dusk in the summer at 57° North than the same farther South, and though I’m sure the older ‘antique’ NV models have been superseded, those of us who walk a bit in the hill or field know the worth of simple and lighter weight kit that works.
Joking apart, I’d suggest that folk take a look at the value of lightweight, reliable LEP before dismissing them in favour of something altogether more heavy, complicated in use, and wholly more expensive - the common objective
- is to get the job done, whether it is with heavier or lighter, simpler or more complex kit is down to the taste and pocket of the end user. If it works, it works, and I’ve yet to meet a hunter who didn’t want to have the best, clear and bright sight picture of their quarry. Many today use a thermal to locate and even range their target, then get lined up and ready to fire having ascertained that the background is safe and suitable. What happens next is where we diverge, but the outcome should be success. How much you feel necessary to invest in achieving the desired result and how happy you are with the kit you use to achieve that result is what we are discussing really, and much of this is opinion.Most of us made do with the lead acid battery in a satchel or rucksack with hand or rifle mounted light of choice for many years, and I freely acknowledge that the progress has been terrific in digital NV, but for this ‘dinosaur’ it has yet to surpass the simple and lightweight alternative. I’d go as far as to say that the low lumens, high candela LEP is a very efficient and preferable match in terms of minimising disturbance to the quarry than the regular 850nM IR light, which can be sensed by several quarry species from the humble rabbit upward, and if we are honest with ourselves we can all recall moments when the ‘tech solution’ has left us a bit disappointed in terms of the result.
BTW, when does the tubed-body version of the Zulus arrive - before winter? Time to save up for the next ‘latest and greatest’ then
LEP - don’t knock it until you’ve tried it, and (at least try to) keep an open mind!
Edit: I haven’t pursued digital NV into the Holocene since I discovered LEP, and convinced myself of its superiority; I’m just miniaturising the setup, that’s all. About to get the same results with one third the weight penalty of this one:
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I've not tried the LEP torch. But from Googling it looks like a very tight beamed white light torch? It's small, light in weight and its only function is illumination. The good ones cost IRO £350.
Forester in his post No54 above says it doesn't spook animals as much a 850nm IR torch. Really?
Forester in his post No54 above says it doesn't spook animals as much a 850nm IR torch. Really?
Freeforester
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It is as you suggest, a laser induced tight white beam torch, but bear in mind the low lumens and high candela. This means that basically, it seems at the animal end that a very small star like point of light is visible, but from the scope end, it is an intense light capable of filling the scope at distances beyond sensible shooting.
I’m interested in which you think are good, given my shown torch at #54 throws in excess of 900m, but was around half the cost you suggest (£180) and what might make a ‘good’ one if a range of 750M and a small form and weight does not make it ‘good’? I’m only using mine for shooting out to 100-150m max.
The wee torch I mention is £76 or so.
. Candela v lumens
Edit: it’s easy to fit a colour filter over the beam which does little to reduce the intensity for the user, but can reduce further the visibility of the source from the viewpoint of the quarry. The Acebeam W10 (pictured in #54)comes with red and green filters as standard.
Pass the quality street!
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I just Googled 'best LEP torches' as - until you wrote about it - I'd never heard of one.It is as you suggest, a laser induced tight white beam torch, but bear in mind the low lumens and high candela. This means that basically, it seems at the animal end that a very small star like point of light is visible, but from the scope end, it is an intense light capable of filling the scope at distances beyond sensible shooting.
I’m interested in which you think are good, given my shown torch at #54 throws in excess of 900m, but was around half the cost you suggest (£180) and what might make a ‘good’ one if a range of 750M and a small form and weight does not make it ‘good’? I’m only using mine for shooting out to 100-150m max.
The wee torch I mention is £76 or so.
. Candela v lumens
Edit: it’s easy to fit a colour filter over the beam which does little to reduce the intensity for the user, but can reduce further the visibility of the source from the viewpoint of the quarry. The Acebeam W10 (pictured in #54)comes with red and green filters as standard.
Pass the quality street!
AM_Lillycombe
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Just reviving the tread to say The Zulus v2 is insanely good to my eye. And I say to my eye because I think everyone has different preferences on digital scopes.
I’ve tried the latest Hik alpex lrf which is HUGE and I have an ATN X-sight 4k on my 22.
I bought a Zulus v2 for the 338ARC that Dave at Valkyrie is building/making for me.
So I’ve only used the new Zulus hand held. But identifying hares and ducks at 300m and ranging them in pitch black night far exceeds any night vision I’ve looked through previously. The day time performance also far exceeded my expectations very very clear.
This scope will far exceed the accurate range of my 338arc once it’s ready. Very happy.
I’ve tried the latest Hik alpex lrf which is HUGE and I have an ATN X-sight 4k on my 22.
I bought a Zulus v2 for the 338ARC that Dave at Valkyrie is building/making for me.
So I’ve only used the new Zulus hand held. But identifying hares and ducks at 300m and ranging them in pitch black night far exceeds any night vision I’ve looked through previously. The day time performance also far exceeded my expectations very very clear.
This scope will far exceed the accurate range of my 338arc once it’s ready. Very happy.
i also have the ATN x-sight 4k on my 17 hornet for several years now, but an old yukon on my 223 which is getting dated. Having looked at the choices and cost decided to stay ATN and just purchased an ATN X-Sight 5 5-25x PRO ED new delivered for just under £300. With a 60 day return if not happy.
See how it performs when it arrives next week.
See how it performs when it arrives next week.
