I appreciate the effor tyou took to explain all that. Kinda reminds me a little of the movie "Snatch"...The dog question within the travelling community is a cultural thing. It has progressed from traditional travelling people who kept running dogs to assist in catching their food back in the day often with the permission of the land owners they were working for. As there is in all walks of life there are some who take things to the next level and kick the box out of it and alienate the majority of the minority.
Skip forward to the last few decades and we do not really have a travelling community coming around year in year out helping with seasonal work, instead we have inherited the social undesirables from Ireland who have settled across the UK claiming their status as travellers.
Keeping with the dog theme they run their dogs on any game mostly at night using vehicles and lamps to course. Not for food but for large sums of money in the form of high stakes betting. This is not just amongst themselves but to quote from information directly from the police, that the live streaming of illegal coursing and illegal online betting is now a multi million pound business across the globe. It is now up there along with organised and serious crime. High profile criminals have been arrested while out hare coursing. It has become a fashionable blood sport along side dog fighting unlicensed boxing favoured by the criminal underworld. Guy Ritchie didnt just dream up some of the characters in his film.
Traditional hare coursing sadly was outlawed 20 years ago and has left a huge hole in traditional hunting and country sports. I grew up with traditional dog men and was devastated to see it abolished. Lurcher scum has now become a term used by a lot of people who suffer the consequences of illegal coursing which often leads to large amounts of damage to property and more and more incidents of violence of any one who gets in their way. Some of the older traditional dog men take the slur to heart but I think a lot of people know that it is not directed at them.
Traditional travellers were mostly good people but sadly they are now the minority amongst a minority.
Others may disagree with my post but this is just my opinion of how I currently see things and how it affects the rural community of where I live.
Hope it sheds some light on the issue and helps you to form an opinion chap
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jimmer.13
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I disagree that you think the irrelevance of their community does not play a part. Animal welfare issues are often highlighted in the travelling community.
Neglect and miss treatment of ponies horses and dogs are common.
Its like ignoring the social demographics of knife crime, the child sex grooming gangs etc. Putting your head in the sand and avoiding the difficult facts for fear of reprisal and being branded racist sexist etc is wrong.
Tarring all with the same brush equally wrong but not calling out problems because of fear of offending is plain bat sh1t mental.
Of course their surroundings and community play a part in what they do. But the courts shouldn't punish them less or more for that, because that would be showing bias (call it racism, reverse racism or whatever if you want). They deserve punishment FOR WHAT THEY DO.
jimmer.13
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Totally agree
kenbro
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Maybe they’ll get “Extras” while serving.
Ken.
Great film
BenBhoy
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I'd actually agree with quite a bit (not all) of that. Accurate. And I've been around lurchers from day 1 of my miserable existence on the this earth!!The dog question within the travelling community is a cultural thing. It has progressed from traditional travelling people who kept running dogs to assist in catching their food back in the day often with the permission of the land owners they were working for. As there is in all walks of life there are some who take things to the next level and kick the box out of it and alienate the majority of the minority.
Skip forward to the last few decades and we do not really have a travelling community coming around year in year out helping with seasonal work, instead we have inherited the social undesirables from Ireland who have settled across the UK claiming their status as travellers.
Keeping with the dog theme they run their dogs on any game mostly at night using vehicles and lamps to course. Not for food but for large sums of money in the form of high stakes betting. This is not just amongst themselves but to quote from information directly from the police, that the live streaming of illegal coursing and illegal online betting is now a multi million pound business across the globe. It is now up there along with organised and serious crime. High profile criminals have been arrested while out hare coursing. It has become a fashionable blood sport along side dog fighting unlicensed boxing favoured by the criminal underworld. Guy Ritchie didnt just dream up some of the characters in his film.
Traditional hare coursing sadly was outlawed 20 years ago and has left a huge hole in traditional hunting and country sports. I grew up with traditional dog men and was devastated to see it abolished. Lurcher scum has now become a term used by a lot of people who suffer the consequences of illegal coursing which often leads to large amounts of damage to property and more and more incidents of violence of any one who gets in their way. Some of the older traditional dog men take the slur to heart but I think a lot of people know that it is not directed at them.
Traditional travellers were mostly good people but sadly they are now the minority amongst a minority.
Others may disagree with my post but this is just my opinion of how I currently see things and how it affects the rural community of where I live.
Hope it sheds some light on the issue and helps you to form an opinion chap
I would hazard a cynical guess that this could be the work of a group or individual who is against the recent push to get game meat on the menu in nurseries and primary schools. There has recently been some fantastic publicity around that, and this could be the backlash.View attachment 350166Outside a village primary school gates near Romsey in Hampshire.
For the critical thinkers amongst you, who would you think did this
I don't usually subscribe to the "conspiracy theory" that antis are pulling stunts like this to discredit shooters, but in this instance I think it's a possibility.
It is.Planet VSS must be truly a wonderful place to live
Bo Diddley
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Pretty sad buggers...View attachment 350166Outside a village primary school gates near Romsey in Hampshire.
For the critical thinkers amongst you, who would you think did this
The Travelling Community sadly now leave far more than a little “Smoke In The Lanes” of England:
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BenBhoy
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Planet jimmer must be bloody miserable as everything tastes so bitter.Planet VSS must be truly a wonderful place to live
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jimmer.13
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A sad fact chap a very sad fact.
You cannot be serious surely?
The coursers have a track record of this sort of behaviour and of these sorts of displays as a threat and as a statement of “we’re here and there’s nothing you can do to stop us.”
You cannot seriously believe that Becky, Raine, and Phoenix put down their smart phones, blue hair dye, and soy lattes, kitted up and went out and killed a whole bunch of THE EXACT SAME ANIMALS THEY ARE TRYING TO “PROTECT” and left them outside a young children’s school to protest game meat on the menu?
There’s two hopes of that - Bob Hope who is dead and no hope! The antis would be out there on social media, writing to papers and MPs and generally being a pain, but stepping into the coursers world? Unlikely - too much chance of getting nicked or battered.
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