Price to butchers ?
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Plitts
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must be the added cost of that added Quinoa
That looks like a cured meat product, so of course it appears expensive on a per kg basis.
Take venison biltong for example, made using silverside from the haunch. It'll lose nearly 2/3 of its weight during drying, so with haunch at £25/kg, the biltong has to be £70/kg+ for it to be anywhere near worth making.
South West Stalkers
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Let me share my point of view. 
Here is someone who tries to sell his carcass for around £3.50-£4.00/kg. Fair enough I would say.
Then there are the people with the comments trying to justify why £2.00-£2.50 /kg is the fair price, stating that game dealers even pay that much nowadays, or hey let's look at fb giving up the game as everyone sells the carcasses on that price range.
Then when I look at other topics re complaining about very low venison price set by game dealers (£0.70/kg etc), there are people saying, no probs go to fb giving up the game and you can sell it for £2.00-£2.50...
So is it not the Stalkers and other people trying to set that prices to the £2.00-£2.50 range?
Just for the record, I have clients paying premium price for butchered venison, some clients paying for whole carcass butchered @ £10/kg for net meat, and I sell some skint whole carcasses for £4.50/kg. Also, from first hand information, I know 2 game dealers who sell skint whole carcass for £4.50/kg.
Here is someone who tries to sell his carcass for around £3.50-£4.00/kg. Fair enough I would say.
Then there are the people with the comments trying to justify why £2.00-£2.50 /kg is the fair price, stating that game dealers even pay that much nowadays, or hey let's look at fb giving up the game as everyone sells the carcasses on that price range.
Then when I look at other topics re complaining about very low venison price set by game dealers (£0.70/kg etc), there are people saying, no probs go to fb giving up the game and you can sell it for £2.00-£2.50...
So is it not the Stalkers and other people trying to set that prices to the £2.00-£2.50 range?
Just for the record, I have clients paying premium price for butchered venison, some clients paying for whole carcass butchered @ £10/kg for net meat, and I sell some skint whole carcasses for £4.50/kg. Also, from first hand information, I know 2 game dealers who sell skint whole carcass for £4.50/kg.
Is that boned out? If so, it's very cheap.
South West Stalkers
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Definitely cheap then!Y
Yes boned out, apart from the 2 shanks
I priced up a whole butchered carcass by adding up the value of all of the individual boned out cuts and dividing it by the total weight of saleable lean meat, and it worked out at around £18/kg across the board.
As a rough rule of thumb, for budgeting purposes, I reckon that the larder weight of the carcass multiplied by 10 gives me the eventual retail price in £££ of the butchered carcass. (Larder weight being guts out, head and feet off, skin still on). I find that a pretty accurate estimate of both fallow and red, to within +/- a few quid.
South West Stalkers
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charlieboy-shooter
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I spoke to one of the members of the NGDA last year prior to start of the season due to a statement released that all members of the association had signed up to a accepting only non-toxic shot game. At the time when I called they informed me they would only accept game shot with non-toxic from August 21, unless head shot. I had developed a copper load based on all the discussions back then on SD so it didn't overly bother me.
Having just got off the phone the game dealer it appears this has changed and they will accept both lead and non toxic and offer the same price £2/kg. So you are not wrong.
To the best of my knowledge the following list of members below, signed up to the non-toxic only. How accurate the source was I know not ( BASC) and to what extent they followed through with it. I equally don't know. But it's clearly changed.
WIllo, Hampshire game, Mc Kelly, Lincolnshire game, Highland game, Ben Rigby game, Peterborough game, Braehead foods, Celtic fish and game, Hadrian game, L and A Dent, Ox Close traditional fine foods, Medstead meats, CH and EI Bambridge and sons, Chantonbury game, Eveleigh farm shop and DH game.
So, it proves that we as a group can influence a change in the market. If the majority of stalkers only offer lead shot game. The game dealers possibly have a accept it to meet there client demand. Well at least for the time being anyway. As it was mentioned today " it will come ". We shall see but that's probably for a whole new thread if it hasn't been done to death already.
Thanks
baguio
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Yes mate, that was so last year! I also developed lead free and have been using them. However, I'm now running low on powder despite having enough bullets so will probably end up being forced to go back to lead anyway in the not too distant future. I'm not sure if us stalkers have forced the change by refusing to convert or the war in Ukraine has done it by reducing the supply of components and preventing people changing over. Either way, lead shot deer will still be taken by most dealers!
Heym SR20
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Only way OP can look at pricing would look at what the butcher is selling venison for and work back from there.
Take a carcass apart yourself and weigh all the different cuts so you get a pretty good idea of how much of each cut you have. Eg the loins are sold for a high price, but are really quite small.
You then need to consider time for butchery
Disposal of any waste
Other materials eg packaging etc
And then overheads.
Most retailers work on a cost of goods of about 50%, and that is direct costs but minimal overhead.
Take a carcass apart yourself and weigh all the different cuts so you get a pretty good idea of how much of each cut you have. Eg the loins are sold for a high price, but are really quite small.
You then need to consider time for butchery
Disposal of any waste
Other materials eg packaging etc
And then overheads.
Most retailers work on a cost of goods of about 50%, and that is direct costs but minimal overhead.
Dan Newcombe
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You are only over priced if you can’t sell it - so sounds like you might be a bit over the market rate.
That being said - sounds like he still wants your venison at some point so the door isn’t closed completely but I’d say your price needs to come down a bit.
That being said - sounds like he still wants your venison at some point so the door isn’t closed completely but I’d say your price needs to come down a bit.
kieran222
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I would say that he has the same view as you. You are a last resort for him and he is a last resort for you. Probably wants you to keep in contact just in case he gets stuck for the odd carcase. The prices you are getting in and out of skin are very good for the current market.
That might be fair enough if it's on the bone, but not if it's all boned out. Every time you pick up your knife the end product gets more expensive. It has to, otherwise it's not worth doing.
The £18 that I quoted is an average across the carcass, ranging from £42/kg for loin steaks down to £7/ kg for some of the lesser cuts.
Look at the prices at Deer box
No it's not. It's above mid-range, but it's by no means expensive. I did an awful lot of research before I set my prices.
My partner and I both earn a bit above the average salary and there is no way we could afford to buy that to cook at home. If we were going to treat ourselves then we may as well go out to eat. I can only speak for ourselves obviously. What type of people are your average customers and how many carcasses a week do you cut?
Customers are from all walks of life. Pensioners, young families, teachers, farm workers, you name it. Also restaurants. Most people around here earn below the average wage - it is recognised as an "Economically Deprived Area", but people love to buy food directly from the producer.
I have cut 5 carcasses this week.
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