Recoil Management

Yes I qualified for the RAF marksman badge at culdrose when I was in the air cadets back in the 1970s, all that I can remember about it was getting a bruised shoulder. Recently had a go with a no.4 up at the range, my r8 is far more comfortable to shoot. The grouping that my friends get with Lee Enfields fall a long way short of more modern centrefires
Lee Enfields were never super accurate sniper rifles. A few that showed exceptional accuracy were selected to be sniper rifles, but even those would be outshot by a decent sporting rifle.

A lee enfield however was designed as a battle rifle. It was far more accurate than the black powder breech loaders that came before. It lay down fire to 1,000 off yards and in a squad of well drilled rifleman could sustain a lot of fire power.

It was never as accurate as the boer 7x57 Mausers, or indeed the German 8x57 k98, but with a faster action, 10 round magazine it was a better battle rifle, with more than sufficient accuracy for battle use.

As a sporting rifle, the Enfields, whether a proper Lee Speed built as a sporting rifle, or a sporterised military rifle with a better stock shape could shoot as well as any other rifle with open sights, and once rebarreled and tweaked they were the mainstay of target shooting and police and military snipers until 20 odd years ago.

But you are correct, a modern Tikka T3x and a decent scope will be very much easier to shoot, and very much easier to shoot well. It’s a bit like cars - an old Jaguar E Type or similar vintage sportscar are fast, but you need a lot of skill to drive them fast abd well especially in the wet. Most modern cars will easily outperform them even with a pretty average driver.
 
With a shotgun you hold it firmly with both hands and the arms take a lot of the recoil.

Most people these days seem to shoot a rifle with minimal hold. Works fine on heavy low recoiling rifle. A lightweight stutzen needs holding firmly.
yep, even now, with a comb raiser and a lop that fits me, i suspect the stutzen probably needs more correct technique to shoot well than many other rifles do. At least when shooting of a rest, where the tendency might be for many to relax the grip on the gun, as other elements are supporting the rifle at that point.
 
yep, even now, with a comb raiser and a lop that fits me, i suspect the stutzen probably needs more correct technique to shoot well than many other rifles do. At least when shooting of a rest, where the tendency might be for many to relax the grip on the gun, as other elements are supporting the rifle at that point.
Have a read of


We had a club member earlier this year with a nice little Sako Stutzen in I think 243. He is one the top shots in the club, but had only ever shot heavy barreled target type rifles, mostly with cross arm hold.

He could not hit a thing with the stutzen. I showed proper technique, plus pointed him towards the above article. He shoots little groups with it now. Stutzens are great for one or two shots, but barrels heat very quickly. No problem when shooting deer. If zeroing, shooting groups have a mug of tea handy and let barrel cool for a few minutes between shots, otherwise you just waste ammo and get cross.
 
Have a read of


We had a club member earlier this year with a nice little Sako Stutzen in I think 243. He is one the top shots in the club, but had only ever shot heavy barreled target type rifles, mostly with cross arm hold.

He could not hit a thing with the stutzen. I showed proper technique, plus pointed him towards the above article. He shoots little groups with it now. Stutzens are great for one or two shots, but barrels heat very quickly. No problem when shooting deer. If zeroing, shooting groups have a mug of tea handy and let barrel cool for a few minutes between shots, otherwise you just waste ammo and get cross.
You're 100% on target with the forend holding. I tend to shoot fairly light hunting rifles in the 280/6.5/7mmSAUM class, and long range accuracy for me in the field is much better with a hard hold on the front of the stock.
 
Have a read of


We had a club member earlier this year with a nice little Sako Stutzen in I think 243. He is one the top shots in the club, but had only ever shot heavy barreled target type rifles, mostly with cross arm hold.

He could not hit a thing with the stutzen. I showed proper technique, plus pointed him towards the above article. He shoots little groups with it now. Stutzens are great for one or two shots, but barrels heat very quickly. No problem when shooting deer. If zeroing, shooting groups have a mug of tea handy and let barrel cool for a few minutes between shots, otherwise you just waste ammo and get cross.

You're 100% on target with the forend holding. I tend to shoot fairly light hunting rifles in the 280/6.5/7mmSAUM class, and long range accuracy for me in the field is much better with a hard hold on the front of the stock.
cheers guys, and thanks for the advice. :) - as it happens i rate Nathans site and writings, and have read that article quite recently, actually. Is the pressure he's advocating on the forend grip hand shake tight too as well, you reckon? And he would probably advise a backwards pressure as well, pushing the rifle into the pocket firmly. Then again you dont want to be too tense either.
 
cheers guys, and thanks for the advice. :) - as it happens i rate Nathans site and writings, and have read that article quite recently, actually. Is the pressure he's advocating on the forend grip hand shake tight too as well, you reckon? And he would probably advise a backwards pressure as well, pushing the rifle into the pocket firmly. Then again you dont want to be too tense either.
The way I was taught is to combine your breathing and the squeeze. You don’t try to hold the rifle still. You never will. Firstly make sure your rifle is naturally pointing at the target. Look at the target and bring the rifle up and the sights should be aligned. Breath in, breath out and the sights will move through the target - that’s perfectly natural - as the sights come onto the target squeeze in with both hands and the trigger will break as the sights cross the target. Its the technique that was taught for shooting off slings or offhand, and which if using a rest whether standing, kneeling, seated or prone you still use. Also works if the animal is moving. It doesn’t matter whether its a 22lr or a 458 lott your focus is on the target and squeezing and make yourself, the rifle and target as one. It helps if you keep both eyes open and use a relatively low powered scope.
 
Modern rifles and scopes are so good, even a cheap x bolt and hawk scope. You don’t need to spend more. Invest in yourself.
 
The way I was taught is to combine your breathing and the squeeze. You don’t try to hold the rifle still. You never will. Firstly make sure your rifle is naturally pointing at the target. Look at the target and bring the rifle up and the sights should be aligned. Breath in, breath out and the sights will move through the target - that’s perfectly natural - as the sights come onto the target squeeze in with both hands and the trigger will break as the sights cross the target. Its the technique that was taught for shooting off slings or offhand, and which if using a rest whether standing, kneeling, seated or prone you still use. Also works if the animal is moving. It doesn’t matter whether its a 22lr or a 458 lott your focus is on the target and squeezing and make yourself, the rifle and target as one. It helps if you keep both eyes open and use a relatively low powered scope.
This method probably doesn’t work so well with a heavy barrelled F Class target rifle, bench rest rifle or long distance heavy barrelled sniper type rifle all which will be set up on bipods or adjustable front rests and bags / monopods at the back. These have more than enough weight to control the recoil.

With any rifle, consistency is key to accuracy. Holding the forend and squeezing everything in is one way, but it does introduce quite a bit of human factor. I know that my rifles, if I don’t hold properly will not shoot to point of aim.

The “modern” approach is to remove as much of the human factor as possible and to allow the rifle to recoil on its own straight back. The shooter, generally using high magnification, adjusts the point of aim mostly by slight adjustments on the machine rests. The shot is released with a light touch on the trigger.

Such an approach works and gives amazing accuracy, especially at long range.

But and its a big but, I personally am not carry one of those rifles plus all the kit up the hills or into the woods. Military snipers are young - in their 20’s or 30’s, supremely fit and strong and a 20lb rifle is not an issue. They will set up a static position and most of their job is observation and reporting what they see, but when needed will take a shot at, often, several hundred metres. And they work in pairs with a spotter. Target shooters take their rifles to the firing point in a car, or in several short trips from the car, or use a wheeled trolley.

A hunting rifle is generally a much lighter weight rifle, that is mostly carried. Its job is to put a bullet through the vitals of a deer or other quarry. However we all hunt in different ways, very much depending on quarry and landscape, and even here in Scotland we have huge variation.

Mostly I stalk over ground where 250 would be a very long shot. Most of the ground has enough cover that you can generally get in quite a bit closer, and for me I much prefer spending time getting in close, than spending time recovering an animal shot at longer range. For this I want a rifle and technique that allows me to shoot a buck that is inside a fence in a restock, so it needs to go. I cannot get closer than about 150 as I will loose direct sight of it. So sit down on sticks, bring rifle up, squeeze as steps into the open between two trees and its dead.

An hour later the above buck is in bits in my pack (much easier to carry out across replanted clear fell), and am walking out on a ride through mature conifers with the wind on my back not expecting to shoot anything. A buck steps out at 30 to 40 yards, good solid back drop, cycle the bolt to load a round as I bring the rifle up and shoot it. Sticks still on my pack. Fortunately only 200 yards to the gate.
 
My normal foxing rifle is a Sako 75 in 222. It is a lovely thing, and has no appreciable recoil. Next in line is my Sako 75 in 30-06. This is a different kettle of fish. You know when you have fired it. I would compare it to a 12 bore firing 36 gram cartridges. It is O.K. to fire, but you will know when you have fired it. I am very happy firing it, but you do have to remember its not the 222. With a 180 grain bullet traveling at full chat it is a bit of a beast.

Then I have a BRNO in 375 H and H magnum. Oh dear oh dear. Now this is a gun with RECOIL. You need to think very carefully if you really need to fire it. Are you absolutely sure you have to pull that trigger ? Bloody hell. It makes the recoil of the 30-06 seem trivial. It really has an awful lot of punch to it.
 
The way I was taught is to combine your breathing and the squeeze. You don’t try to hold the rifle still. You never will. Firstly make sure your rifle is naturally pointing at the target. Look at the target and bring the rifle up and the sights should be aligned. Breath in, breath out and the sights will move through the target - that’s perfectly natural - as the sights come onto the target squeeze in with both hands and the trigger will break as the sights cross the target. Its the technique that was taught for shooting off slings or offhand, and which if using a rest whether standing, kneeling, seated or prone you still use. Also works if the animal is moving. It doesn’t matter whether its a 22lr or a 458 lott your focus is on the target and squeezing and make yourself, the rifle and target as one. It helps if you keep both eyes open and use a relatively low powered scope.
This method probably doesn’t work so well with a heavy barrelled F Class target rifle, bench rest rifle or long distance heavy barrelled sniper type rifle all which will be set up on bipods or adjustable front rests and bags / monopods at the back. These have more than enough weight to control the recoil.

With any rifle, consistency is key to accuracy. Holding the forend and squeezing everything in is one way, but it does introduce quite a bit of human factor. I know that my rifles, if I don’t hold properly will not shoot to point of aim.

The “modern” approach is to remove as much of the human factor as possible and to allow the rifle to recoil on its own straight back. The shooter, generally using high magnification, adjusts the point of aim mostly by slight adjustments on the machine rests. The shot is released with a light touch on the trigger.

Such an approach works and gives amazing accuracy, especially at long range.

But and its a big but, I personally am not carry one of those rifles plus all the kit up the hills or into the woods. Military snipers are young - in their 20’s or 30’s, supremely fit and strong and a 20lb rifle is not an issue. They will set up a static position and most of their job is observation and reporting what they see, but when needed will take a shot at, often, several hundred metres. And they work in pairs with a spotter. Target shooters take their rifles to the firing point in a car, or in several short trips from the car, or use a wheeled trolley.

A hunting rifle is generally a much lighter weight rifle, that is mostly carried. Its job is to put a bullet through the vitals of a deer or other quarry. However we all hunt in different ways, very much depending on quarry and landscape, and even here in Scotland we have huge variation.

Mostly I stalk over ground where 250 would be a very long shot. Most of the ground has enough cover that you can generally get in quite a bit closer, and for me I much prefer spending time getting in close, than spending time recovering an animal shot at longer range. For this I want a rifle and technique that allows me to shoot a buck that is inside a fence in a restock, so it needs to go. I cannot get closer than about 150 as I will loose direct sight of it. So sit down on sticks, bring rifle up, squeeze as steps into the open between two trees and its dead.

An hour later the above buck is in bits in my pack (much easier to carry out across replanted clear fell), and am walking out on a ride through mature conifers with the wind on my back not expecting to shoot anything. A buck steps out at 30 to 40 yards, good solid back drop, cycle the bolt to load a round as I bring the rifle up and shoot it. Sticks still on my pack. Fortunately only 200 yards to the gate.
Thanks Heym, i'll practice these, and some other, techniques in the coming weeks, and see how they affect things. .-) And it is very cool that you back pack hunt, and carry the beasts out on your back. :)

As we're talking recoil, and recoil handling technique, in this thread, modern technology might also be changing how much of a need people have for good shooting technique, or of external and terminal ballistic knowledge really.
A surpressed 30-06, with a digital scope on that measures distance and compensates for drop, is probably a good bit easier to use well in the field for many, than the same rifle with a 6x glass scope and no mod, both shooting technique and accuracy wise.
 
Thanks Heym, i'll practice these, and some other, techniques in the coming weeks, and see how they affect things. .-) And it is very cool that you back pack hunt, and carry the beasts out on your back. :)

As we're talking recoil, and recoil handling technique, in this thread, modern technology might also be changing how much of a need people have for good shooting technique, or of external and terminal ballistic knowledge really.
A surpressed 30-06, with a digital scope on that measures distance and compensates for drop, is probably a good bit easier to use well in the field for many, than the same rifle with a 6x glass scope and no mod, both shooting technique and accuracy wise.
Thats what many will think and be convinced of. But in practice, and zeroed for maximum point blank range, and knowing how a deer looks against your 6x reticle, you know that the deer is in range, abd keeping your eye in the deer, you drop down, lean your forehand against the wee grassy hummock, let out your breath, then breath in and squeeze as the cross hair comes up the foreleg and tighten everything in as the horizontal get just below half way up and the deer is dead.

Or get down , turn on the digital once you can remember where the button is having left your glasses in your pocket so you cant see the bloody thing, open up the bipod etc etc.
 
Recoil management is firstly rooted in rifle or shotgun fitment, then we pass on to cartridge loads or class, once you enter the arena of Magnum's, Goose or Punt guns & Africa loads it is purely now down to gritting your teeth, practice, and needing to shoot that particular quarry at the end of your barrel.
 
Great thread and advice. I picked up a flinch using unmoderated, ill-fitting rifles as a teenager, adapted to from open sights to telescopic sights, so the scope was always too high relative to the stock.

I don't like the current trend for light rifles in powerful calibres. Plus I think a lot of people are too macho about recoil.

Every few months I get sloppy and I can tell my technique has deteriorated. I go back to the target and really focus on my technique to get things back on track.

Some above have mentioned practising with an air rifle, personally I think a .22LR is even more realistic, but with cheaper ammo than deer ammo.
 
Just sporter profile weight is fine, light isn’t very stable in wind, and heavy is a bitch to carry. Any moderated rifle that’s not ‘magnum’ is a pussycat recoil wise if you know how to hold it. Remove the mod and things start to change.

Know what you’re doing, do it well, and don’t be a dick and shoot like an arseh@le, or for that matter ‘at’, and at silly distances, and all is good
 
Just sporter profile weight is fine, light isn’t very stable in wind, and heavy is a bitch to carry. Any moderated rifle that’s not ‘magnum’ is a pussycat recoil wise if you know how to hold it. Remove the mod and things start to change.

Know what you’re doing, do it well, and don’t be a dick and shoot like an arseh@le, or for that matter ‘at’, and at silly distances, and all is good
Yep. Personally I dont have mods on any of rifles, which then creates a need for better shooting technique for precision and recoil handling.

But as you say, know your tools, practice and skill up accordingly and then respect the limitations of your skill when shooting at live game.👍
 
Great thread and advice. I picked up a flinch using unmoderated, ill-fitting rifles as a teenager, adapted to from open sights to telescopic sights, so the scope was always too high relative to the stock.

I don't like the current trend for light rifles in powerful calibres. Plus I think a lot of people are too macho about recoil.

Every few months I get sloppy and I can tell my technique has deteriorated. I go back to the target and really focus on my technique to get things back on track.

Some above have mentioned practising with an air rifle, personally I think a .22LR is even more realistic, but with cheaper ammo than deer ammo.
Good points :-) At the range a 22 lr does makes sense as cheap pratice ammo and rifle training but in Denmark, where i am based, you can legally train with a 4.5 mm air rifle privately too, which gives the air rifle option another dimension vs it's bigger brothers. 👍 :)
Light rifles in the right hands on the hill are the perfect tool for deer management, .270 Winchester Sako finnlight being the object of my desire.
Light rifles in the right hands on the hill are the perfect tool for deer management, .270 Winchester Sako finnlight being the object of my desire.

I do like the way the finnlight points, and comes to the shoulder. It's one of the few rubber/plastic stocked rifles along with a sauer that i quite liked handling. But you'd have it with a surpressor on, no? or with you go with a light rifle in a 270 umoderated?
 
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I wouldn't blame air rifles. I suspect it is simply because most of us don't do enough shooting with our stalking rifles due to limited access, time, and funds. That said, learning the physical and mental techniques required for consistent shooting is essential, regardless of how much trigger time one enjoys.
Ive said this many times, it amazes me just how little time some folk spend behind their rifles. Obviously theres expense considerations but some range time a few days a year should be a minimum.
 
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