Available: red and roe sydicate

[tika.308]

You pay your money you take your chance, no one is forced to pay to join if they dont want to. good luck with the syndicate and to the members, and i dont know happy hunt before anyone asks

 

[Thar]

Hi Chaps

My concern is that in the first instant it was advertised as 700 acres, as was promptly pointed out by another member 217 hectares is not 700 acres but 536 acres, not 550 as it now advertised, mistake?? Maybe, but HH tells us he is an experienced stalker, well that is a pretty fundamental mistake to make when advertising a stalking lease. No cull figures as well, fair enough if it has not been shot for years but HH suggests 50 deer off there should be possible, well it might be possible but that is a lot of deer off 536 acres IMO.

He states minimal disturbance, what he fails to point out is that plans are being made in the near future to look at putting in a haulage road and timber harvesting will commence, while this is good for the long term in the short term you will have considerable disturbance.

Of cause buyer beware applies and it could well be worth it to some that is not the real issue, what is the issue is that people are going in with their eyes wide open especially if they are new to stalking, the general concusses is that it is expensive, it is a small block and the suggest cull number is optimistic.
Now we have that in the open then good luck to anybody that decides it is for them.

Tony I thought it was only me that ran around the wood to shoot the deer.

ATB

Tahr

 

[tika.308]

2 places left in 6 gun syndicate shooting red and roe on approx 550 acres of a single block and two satellite woods
It Has been unshot for years with no deer management on it,consisting of mature pine coming down to about 10 year old trees, no new planting as yet.with good ride networks.so plenty of deer and minimal disturbance
The forest is in an area of open hill and large tracts of forestry
DCS level 1 as a minium
relevent insurance
if you use a quad for extraction then you must have the relevent quals
caravan will be on site, if you want to use this, then you must share the costs.
area is stirling/dunblane area
not fc ground , so no lamping or culling except by the named guns.
4 x 4 reqd to get to the ground or a long walk.
out of season licence can be applied for if needed
all shot deer are to be extracted and removed
looking to start mid jan
price £1000 per gun

This is what i read yesterday

 

[deerhunter270]

This is what i read yesterday

The original posting mentioned 700 acres , it has know been edited

 

[happyhunt]

It was my mistake about the size as I misread the agreement, this was rectifed asap and all the guys that pm me were made aware of this as was the advert.

thar, how accurate are your leases, considering you have so many it must be hard going around with a tape measure.

of course there will be disturbance at some point, when that will be is any ones guess,but at this point in time my original post is correct.

the one thing I agree with you is it is expensive, I am fully aware of this but as an adult it is my decison to pay or not to pay , that goes for all the other members of the syndicate,who are all stalkers of considerable experiance and not "newbies" being ripped off.

it would suggest by the amount of pm's I have received that there is a huge shortage of red stalking available in a snydicate, but thats not suprising considering the amount of money professional stalkers make out of it, and the price which I have no control over has, not put them off.

the syndicate was filled by stalking friends, but 2 had to pull out to meet other commitments, hence the offer to SD members, nothing sinister there.

the 2 members will be invited to view the ground, if they don't like it ,then no problem

I can't be more honest than that and to suggest I am ripping anyone off is totally offensive

 

[jimbo123p]

Figure was corrected. Maybe the figure included the two satalite pieces, Who knows?? If the stalke visited 20 days per year we are talking £15 a day abobe tahr s advertised prices. I shoot deer in a maximum of four acres at a time so whether the wood is 500/5000/50,000 I am still looking at that 4 acre kill zone to shoot my deer. Will that 500 acre provide you with a reasonably opportunity to shoot deer. Yes £1000 is good. How many got burned in Carron Valley a couple of years ago for a grand. Check your site, pay your money and take your chances.

 

[Thar]

and to suggest I am ripping anyone off is totally offensive

And calling somebody a “knobhead” isn’t then?

If somebody took your original post at face value and joined the syndicate believing that it was 700 acres, when it was 536 (changed only after you were pulled up), in addition you have stated minimal disturbance, but plans are being drawn up to look at putting in haulage roads and timber harvesting to commence, that is going to cause considerable disturbance.

Hence there are factual inaccuracies in your original post that means that stalkers would not be getting what they believed they were paying for, added to that even you admit the price is over the normal going rate, well that is being ripped off in my book.

It is sated on the lease agreement or tender what the size is, that’s how I know the acreage of my land, OK taken on trust of the forestry company however you can get an idea from an OS map any way. But how did you get to 700 when it says 217 hectares on your agreement?

OK if I was joining here are a few questions for you, if you don’t answer people no doubt will draw their own conclusions.

What exactly is your connection to the lease owner? Friend? Family member? Did you know him before you got the chance of the syndicate?

What’s in it for you acting as his agent?

If the cull of 40 to 50 deer is not reached is there any rumination for the syndicate members?

What is the situation with the surrounding syndicate/farms, do they have a cull plan?

Will members still have access to the land while forestay work is being undertaken?

Can guests be taken or is it syndicate members only?

Does the lease holder pay for his place, or does he get it for his trouble?

Is the lease an annual one or is it say a 5 year lease with annual renewal?

Is there a yearly automatic increase in the cost of the lease? Say 5% increase per annan.

Is a copy of the lease with the price made avalible to all member?

Tahr

 

[jimbo123p]

Only two people need to worry about the answers in the long run. I take it you were beaten to the lease, The man protesteth too much, Jim

 

[Thar]

I take it you were beaten to the lease, The man protesteth too much, Jim

No Jim totally wrong, I had never heard of this lease before this post, in fact I turned down the opportunity of more stalking the other week, I struggle to find the time to keep on top of all I have in truth, but the stalking world is a small one.

ATB

Tahr

 

[csl]

Ok... appreciate the efforts to make sure stalkers new to syndicate membership go in with both eyes open (I've been at the sharp end myself) but there is a fine line between asking some salient questions about the advertisement and complete thread hijack/sabotage. We are rapidly heading towards the latter.

Ask your questions by all means - as far as I can see the OP is answering all the questions in good faith - but lets leave out the snipes/arguments.

Alex

 

[Cut+Squirt]

I supose something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. . . . . whether that be stalking or a second hand car. One things for sure, as HappyHunt has already stated, there are are hell of a people looking for a bit of ground to stalk.Thar makes some valid points but what worries me is that given the amount of grief HH has had, it may put off members advertising syndicate places in the future.

 

[Thar]

Cadex

I have never pulled up anybody offering stalking before so they will have nothing to worry about from me.

ATB

Tahr

 

[Cut+Squirt]

It wasnt a specific dig at you Thar, just a general observation as to how the thread had developed.

 

[jimbo123p]

For every reasonably priced syndicate post advertised there is 100 applicants. Prices rise with spicies and availability. The scarcer it gets the higher the initial price. The syndicate organiser are not the ones pumping up the prices. Profit is the name of the game for the foresty. Now you have to work out if your hobby is worth the cost stalking access. Gone are the days where cull figures times the meat value set the standard. now with roe it is cull x £100 for the opening bit then upwards. Deer = £££££ and it will not reduce unless the new regs force the issue. LDNS will take away 100's of permissions if I am reading the vibes right. The permission holders will then be joining the syndicate race.

 

[Gazza]

We have all heard the horror stories of guys being ripped off by either the description of the ground, the number of deer that it holds, the profits being creamed off, the size of the syndicate being larger than advertised etc etc but I think it grossly unfair to pick on this offer, scrutinise every piece of info looking for a possible flaw to somehow prove that this offer is not worthy. A guy puts up an offer of stalking, gives a price. To me it is then up to potential syndicate stalkers to make their own enquires and come to conclusions. By picking on any particular offer it not only can make the person making the offer look bad and perhaps put others off making any offers but also any person who considers that the offer is what he is looking for think twice cause others may think he is an asshole for taking up the offer.
Perhaps better for those with an interest in helping newbie stalkers in obtaining a lease is for them to draw up a guide which could perhaps be posted as a sticky. Guys could then use this info to decide for themselves.

 

[sikamalc]

Stalking is now fast becoming a very popular sport with many newcomers entering into the mix. It goes without saying that ground to stalk over has never been easy to find and keep and it will prove harder to find for a reasonable price as time goes on.

This site is the only one I am aware of that has a membership that offers stalking opportunities for free through friendships or paying. NOW! if someone offers a syndicate place on this site and it is legal, fair and just then personally I have no issue with this what so ever, and I am sure my other two colleagues will concur. The fact that someone has taken the trouble to make an offer on this site for two places on a syndicate is something I do not want to see turned into a bun fight about what it costs per deer, or the area, or the amount paid before, unless there is a serious problem which may see a member or members loose their money due to unscrupulous activity. Which in this case there is not.

ITS SIMPLE, IF YOU DONT WANT TO PAY THE FEE ASKED, THEN DONT MAKE AN OFFER.

If you are lucky enough to have plenty of ground and do not have to pay for it, count your lucky stars

Thank you

Sikamalc

 

[sinbad]

+ one.
Sinbad

 

[happyhunt]

thanks guys, it was only ever meant to be a genuine offer, and most people see that, but there you go.

on the minus side I have had a couple of emails off members of this site you were thinking of advertising some stalking on there ground, but have decided against it due to the grief on takes.

thats a sad day in my book, stalking as many eneimies, we don't need any in fighting.

looks like the places might be filled pending the usual viewing and paperwork, so many thanks too all who showed genuine interest.

thanks and all the best for the new year

HH

 

[longhair]

if nothing else it proves there is not enough ground to go around the people who would like it,time to limit the amount of land/leases any one person can have? ( before you bite im only joking)

 

[Gaz]

THAR. YOUR PM inbox is full ATB Gaz