NorthDorset
Well-Known Member
Thank you Ian. That clarifies a lot for me and helps me to set a reasonable level of expectation for response from your organisation in the future.
SACS what do they actually do ?
- Thread starter mudman
- Start date
snowy
Well-Known Member
We'll all have to have a whip round and build him a multi million pound media centre [/I][/B]
Originally posted by myself tongue in cheek any sarcasm derived was not aimed at SACS. As a BASC member I applaud the work done by SACS with so little an organisation and budget.As for the self appointed quango over the lead issues I dare say for all the input we may at least get a little notice filtering through to the troops on the ground when to get our pants down and the vaseline ready, same as last time.
Originally posted by myself tongue in cheek any sarcasm derived was not aimed at SACS. As a BASC member I applaud the work done by SACS with so little an organisation and budget.As for the self appointed quango over the lead issues I dare say for all the input we may at least get a little notice filtering through to the troops on the ground when to get our pants down and the vaseline ready, same as last time.
Jimnydriver
Well-Known Member
Keep up the good work Ian.... 
David
David
david1976
Well-Known Member
You have mentioned this a number of times now on this thread David which I find rather strange as you have yet to answer the question asked by myself and another member back on 8th March!
Wouldn't it be a fine thing if all these articulate people, like David basc, & Ian from sacs, along with all the other good groups of shooters/hunters/fishermen et al could at least agree to all sit together, on some form of collective board / group, then apply the pressure in the correct places, a coup de grace would result on those that would put us out of business.
david1976
Well-Known Member
Has BASC ever:
A) fought/campaigned on behalf of a person to allow them to possess a shotgun/firearm
B) for a person to have a shotgun/firearm returned to them after BASC intervention
After which that person has committed an offence with those weapons?
On a secondary note, you might want to reprint some of the leaflets BASC distribute to members of the public. I have just read one which I received at a recent wildlife crime conference and it states that there is no closed season for hares!
I am not sure about the law in England however the conference was in Scotland and there is a close season for hares in Scotland.
A) fought/campaigned on behalf of a person to allow them to possess a shotgun/firearm
B) for a person to have a shotgun/firearm returned to them after BASC intervention
After which that person has committed an offence with those weapons?
On a secondary note, you might want to reprint some of the leaflets BASC distribute to members of the public. I have just read one which I received at a recent wildlife crime conference and it states that there is no closed season for hares!
I am not sure about the law in England however the conference was in Scotland and there is a close season for hares in Scotland.
David,
First and most important please accept my apologies; I did not mean to overlook your very valid question, and thank you for giving me the opportunity to reply.
Yes we have fought and won for the return of firearms , renewal, grant, variation, but to the very best of my knowledge in none of these cases has the member gone on to commit and offence with said firearms.
Regarding the leaflets, I will look into it, it sounds like some old forms are out there!
On many many issues, in fact the vast majority, I think the organisations are much of the same mind, and approach the same target from slightly different angles.
As said on another thread the organisations do work together on many issues via the British Shooting Sports Council, or the Shoot Summit or DMQ or FACE UK for example.
And as i said above there will be a major campaign on lead shot very soon that I hope SACS will support
David
First and most important please accept my apologies; I did not mean to overlook your very valid question, and thank you for giving me the opportunity to reply.
Yes we have fought and won for the return of firearms , renewal, grant, variation, but to the very best of my knowledge in none of these cases has the member gone on to commit and offence with said firearms.
Regarding the leaflets, I will look into it, it sounds like some old forms are out there!
On many many issues, in fact the vast majority, I think the organisations are much of the same mind, and approach the same target from slightly different angles.
As said on another thread the organisations do work together on many issues via the British Shooting Sports Council, or the Shoot Summit or DMQ or FACE UK for example.
And as i said above there will be a major campaign on lead shot very soon that I hope SACS will support
David
african jack
Well-Known Member
Does this mean you have lost the argument at LAG all ready yes I am a BASC & CA member going to join SAC in May as well
Last edited:
Evening Jack,
The LAG is looking at what are the real risks associated with lead shot, if any, to human health or the environment.
I do not see that any argument has been lost at the LAG, on the contrary I suspect those who are opposed to lead shot are disappointed that the LAG has not added weight to their argument.
The really important thing right now as far as lead ammunition is concerned is compliance with the current laws, that what I was referring to.
David
The LAG is looking at what are the real risks associated with lead shot, if any, to human health or the environment.
I do not see that any argument has been lost at the LAG, on the contrary I suspect those who are opposed to lead shot are disappointed that the LAG has not added weight to their argument.
The really important thing right now as far as lead ammunition is concerned is compliance with the current laws, that what I was referring to.
David
howa243
Well-Known Member
Is that the guide that you developed 6pointer.
If so, it could crush your impartiality on the topic.
Last edited:
JabaliHunter
Well-Known Member
I always hear about lead shot in the context of the LAG, but what about lead in rifle ammunition and deer stalking? Is it off the radar or just not the main focus of the groups represented? It seems to be higher on the agenda for other countries in the EU, notably Germany for example.
6pointer
Well-Known Member
Howa how do you work that one out when the groups were started the organisations were contacted and asked if they would support the setting up of the deer groups. They included BASC BDS SGA and SACS. The most helpful was SACS who were willing to work with our membership in the difficult job of unifying insurance. The urban deer guide hard copys were finaced through SACS and game dealer Weatherall Foods. The reason i used them Simple i asked they said yes. Howa believe me if SACS were behaving in away i thought was incorrect or unfair i would say so. 
Last edited:
Richard Byatt
New Member
I used to go BASC but changed a long time ago.
howa243
Well-Known Member
Howa how do you work that one out when the groups were started the organisations were contacted and asked if they would support the setting up of the deer groups. They included BASC BDS SGA and SACS. The most helpful was SACS who were willing to work with our membership in the difficult job of unifying insurance. The urban deer guide hard copys were finaced through SACS and game dealer Weatherall Foods. The reason i used them Simple i asked they said yes. Howa believe me if SACS we behaving in away i thought was incorrect or unfair i would say so.
I am merely pointing out that as you appear to have taken the SACS coin that you are hardly impartial. You make very frequent disparaging comments about BASC and the fact that they are more interested in cash than anything else and yet you have also benefited financially from your relationship with SACS. Did you ask if BASC was interested in helping to fund your guide?
It may also be worth pointing out that (as I am sure we all know) running an organisation of 13000 members is likely to be very different from one of 130,000. Also SACS has the word Scottish in it, is run out of Scotland with little or no English infrastructure and I think it is obvious (simply from reading the posts on this site) that this will mean many Scottish shooters )irrespective of any other considerations) would prefer to join it. The advantage of running a small organisation is that it is easier to be closer to your members (staff) than a big one. Indeed to be successful you have to be and in order to steal membership (business) away from others you also have to be cheaper. If this means that BASC have a reality check and realise that big is not always beautiful then it will have served an excellent purpose.
As you are so close to SACS do you know how the membership is split. Do you know how many of the 13571 members are stalkers, game shooters, airgunners for instance. Is it your view that an organisation of that size will be seen in the same light by the media as one of roughly ten times that size? Do you have any thoughts on why the NRA in America is so successful?
Your comments do often seem to be very personal and I was wondering if you have some axe to grind, does your constant reference to Arran indicate a personal grudge surrounding the awarding of the lease to BASC perhaps.
Personally I think its great that there are more organisations representing shooters. I don't mind that BASC is a little more expensive. When I compare it to other costs associated with shooting it really is a very small amount of money and I believe that the size of the organisation is likely to lead to greater representation. May even be worth a little more if it was called EASC.
I. Farticus
Well-Known Member
Have a look at the following thread - Shooting Organisations how representative are they? - Page 3
where David -BASC, lists the members of FACE in the UK:
Association of Masters of Harriers & Beagles
Atlantic Salmon Trust
British Association for Shooting and Conservation
British Deer Society
British Falconer's Club
Countryside Alliance
Game and Wildlife Conservation Trust
Game Farmers’ Association
Hawk Board
Masters of Deer Hounds’ Association
Masters of Fox Hounds’ Association
Masters of Mink Hounds’ Association
National Gamekeepers’ Organisation
Scottish Land and Estates
St Hubert Club
Union of Country Sports Workers
Welsh Woodcock Club.
Pretty much everyone bar SACS. Ian (SACS) any plans to engage with this umbrella org?
Cheers
iain
Similar threads
