Salvaging a stomach shot deer?

Any proof for that or just thoughts? Would be good to know for the next time I mess up as I hate wasting anything. I do see all the yanks just blast there meat into chillers filled with ice water all the meat looks pale as hell when it’s done.

Should say I pretty much always stalk with a roe sack and a few folded bin bags regardless of quarry just in case goes awry.
Hiya Rasputin

Do you mean ”any evidence for brine drawing water out of meat”? If so, I am working on the assumption that water will pass over the cell membranes from the weak solution to the strong solution, via osmosis. That is why I only “brine” briefly. No evidence, but osmosis is deffo a thing.
 
If you shoot enough deer, you will get the odd one where the stomach gets burst - poor shot placement, deer standing in a weird position, bullet hitting bone etc etc.

Its certainly happened to me. I keep them for my own consumption - mince or stew and lots of cooking. I gralloch as normal and hose the carcass out when I get back to larder. I butcher asap and throw away any meat that looks contaminated or was near the stomach.
 
Accepting that it is now too late to do anything with yesterday's deer as the contamination will have spread despite the cold weather it is a shame. A badly gut shot deer can not easily enter the commercial food chain but there is no reason not to use a significant proportion of it. The DSCertification process was designed around the European Game Meat regulations which are now nearly twenty years old. Prior to that gut shot deer were routinely swabbed out with sphagnum at the time of the gralloch, sphagnum having mildly antiseptic qualities. That, at the time, was considered sufficient with a good and thorough wash down in the larder.

The practice of using water to wash out the inside of a carcass was widely condemned as it tends to spread the contamination if not done very thoroughly. Disposable paper towels were preferred as being less likely to spread bacterial infection - true, BUT if you are to use future carcasses for your own consumption, which I would encourage, then, as I used to teach folk at the time, use NO water or LOTS of water - nothing in between and that washing out of the interior of the carcass, although it will discolour the meat compared to a perfectly clean dry carcass, it need not be greatly discoloured IF the interior of the carcass is wiped with a solution of Milton (or other food safe disinfectant) and the interior is also then dried (with disposable paper towel) before being hung conventionally. It is also sensible to cut out any areas of visible remaining contamination and to cut the carcass so that blood, water and contamination can drain without "sitting in a pocket" anywhere on the carcass. This frequently means the removal of most of the belly flaps and conceivably some of the brisket area. It will never hang for as long as a perfect carcass without deterioration but the meat will be usable in large measure.

Just as we went from wooden butcher's blocks to plastic, before it was discovered that bacteria tended to live longer in cracks and score marks on plastic boards than on a properly scrubbed wooden block so I believe one can salvage, perfectly safely, a significant proportion of the meat from a gut content contaminated carcass if common sense and care is taken to remove the bulk of the contamination and to kill/neutralise the remaining bacteria. Remember there are many membranes within a carcass which will assist in preventing the spread of bacteria and continue fulfilling that function so long as they are undamaged.

Yes - you will get a lot less from a damaged/contaminated carcass. No - you should not sell it. But you can safely use much of it with the application of common sense, care and a little chemical help. Yes - you will have to butcher sooner than with a clean carcass and I would recommend doing so as soon as it has come out of rigor mortis [carcasses butchered whilst in rigor will invariably be tough]. But you can use a damaged carcass this way, or by some field butchery, as advocated above in a number of posts; this is not the definitively correct way - like so many things in stalking it is a way; this happens to reduce waste and making usable meat from that which we all try to avoid - wasting life.
 
Whilst I hear you, I find that the more you move it the more you swill the contamination about. I also don't like lardering deer in the field as I don't take the equipment with me and would be more likely to introduce further environmental contamination to the venison. What I do have with me is plenty of blue roll to remove what doesn't drop out of the carcass during the gralloch though. It's also much easier to carry the deer out once the mess has been removed.
However, each to their own. We all do things slightly differently.
I wouldnt move it at all and to butcher its as I and others have said all you need is a good knife and some bags, but as you say each to their own.
 
Don't worry about it. As others have said, empty it out as normal. Moss is handy in getting rid of any green left in the gut / chest cavity.
Hang it as normal, it can get pretty high within 36 hours if not in a fridge, but this time of year it is fine because it is nice and cold, refrigeration is not necessary if in an outbuilding or shed. Very rare unless the round has really gone awry not to be able to take the haunches, backstraps / loins and a shoulder or two for home consumption.
 
It happens to most of us from time to time (some more than others). I'll gralloch as normal and try to trim away flank and ribs that are worst affected right then. I have some water bottles in the car that I use to rinse carcass out with if necessary.

I'll probably hang the carcass for a shorter time than normal. I'll most likely throw out the tenderloins and not use the ribs and other affected bones for soup, but lose very little of the good venison otherwise.
 
Doubt it, looks like a nice bullet.

OP said placement was a bit back.

Exit could have been gut side of diaphragm
or
Occasionally bullets do odd deflections inside, Ive had a nice shoulder shot placement go up nearly 90 degrees to exit near the spine and take out the opposite backstrap. Go figure!!
or other variations.
 
[Slightly off topic but follows @Hayduke 's comment] The longer one stalks and the more deer one sees being shot there are two things strike me quite forcibly. The shot reaction is not always textbook for the actual strike placement and the bullet behaviour can vary between rounds of the same make and load. 'Never say "never" and never say "always"". Some bullets do extraordinary things following ribs up (and even occasionally over and down the other side rather than exiting at the spine). Some turn right angles rearwards or forwards. However if one allowed for every deflection possible from the safety point of view one would rarely get a shot and I do not believe that bullets deflected through these extreme diversions carry much energy after these deflections. As Robert Churchill put it in his book on scattergun shooting it might still be quite shocking to one's rearend "no matter how many copies of a newspaper were inserted in the trousers" but it would be unlikely to be fatal.
 
Might be worthwhile reviewing the kit you carry to accomodate situations such as this and deciding on your stratergy on how to deal with a similar should it happen again.
 
I can see the point that a carefully prepared contaminated carcass can be used for home consumption and shouldn't enter in to the food chain.... because of the food law and the risks associated with the contamination.

The highest risk is to contaminating the other parts of the carcass (originally not contaminated) by your hands and tools?
Are you sure that all the contaminated area is clearly visible so you can cut off that parts? Can you be sure that the contamination is not transferred to the other parts by touching that contamination or using water?
So then would you happily feed that meat to your children/grandchildren?
And I am not saying that these contaminated carcasses should be thrown away at all, it's just another post about the extra care and importance of personal & tool hygiene when handling contaminated carcasses.
 
In those situations I've always cut off the bits that aren't contaminated and eaten them myself. In the case of a small amount of green I simply wipe it out with moss or grass! Selling a carcass is one thing, but for your own consumption there's always something on it that's edible. Once those bits are off, get the knife into the messy bits and do the usual checks.
 
And whatever you do, don’t go stalking with your COVID face mask in a pocket, somehow get green on it, forget about it, leave trousers somewhere warm to dry, stop to get petrol a week later, rummage around for a face mask, find the one from last week and pop it on...
 
[Slightly off topic but follows @Hayduke 's comment] The longer one stalks and the more deer one sees being shot there are two things strike me quite forcibly. The shot reaction is not always textbook for the actual strike placement and the bullet behaviour can vary between rounds of the same make and load. 'Never say "never" and never say "always"". Some bullets do extraordinary things following ribs up (and even occasionally over and down the other side rather than exiting at the spine). Some turn right angles rearwards or forwards. However if one allowed for every deflection possible from the safety point of view one would rarely get a shot and I do not believe that bullets deflected through these extreme diversions carry much energy after these deflections. As Robert Churchill put it in his book on scattergun shooting it might still be quite shocking to one's rearend "no matter how many copies of a newspaper were inserted in the trousers" but it would be unlikely to be fatal.
I tend to agree; one aspect I've "often" seen is that when things do go awry, the tendency has been that the faster the bullet is/was driven, the less predictable the outcome, but there are many many variables, too many by far to make any hard and fast rules or predictions, as you point out. 👍🏻
 
I think it happens more often than some people will admit, in particular with the smaller deer such as Muntjac. I would say 1:4 - 1:5 Muntjac is not shot as nice and cleanly as we we would all like...
You normally know it was a bad (gut) shot as soon as you reach the carcass as often you can smell it. That sickly mixture of blood and gut content...often the carcass has a 'sloppy' feel, you can hear the insides moving around if you turn it over, and the exit wound (if there is one) often shows leaking green gut content or even parts of the intestines hanging out. Remember such a carcass is clearly not suitable for sale, or even to give away, only for your own private consumption. I would not risk giving a possible contaminated piece of meat to somebody who I cannot be sure will handle/prepare it properly. However those joints that can be recovered cleanly will be safe, but to stay on the safer side of safe I would not use it for Mince/Burgers, as that would spread any contamination even further, and cause problems further down the line if not cooked properly and held too long at the wrong temperature, the typical Summer BBQ scenario with half-cooked medium/rare meat kept warm-ish on a tray for hours. If you use it for casseroling or a stew will be safer than safe.

1. Do not gralloch, do not remove head/feet.
2. Hang it by the hocked back legs
3. Remove pelt from back/spine up to the shoulders, and take off the loins (straps) and put in a clean bag. Use loins as normal. See (7).
4. Remove the haunches by cutting through the ball joint - as you would normally do anyway. Some previous butchery experience and anatomical knowledge of a deer carcass is helpful here. The carcass will fall to the ground once you cut through the second ball joint on the second Haunch. Don't attempt to recover any more meat.
5. Remove feet, take the Haunches home- pelt still on it- in a separate bag, remove remaining pelt at home, rinse the joint very well afterwards in cold water, pat dry, and take the meat off the bone/steak/or keep the whole haunch as a roasting joint.
6. Be aware of possible cross-contamination from gut content and blood on pelt transferred to your hands/gloves transferred to the 'clean' meat.
7. You'll find that some unpleasant stuff may have leaked all over one or both of the shoulders/neck to I would leave all that to the wolves and not attempt to recover any venison meat from the areas below (from a hanging carcass) the entry and exit wound.

This method will leave you with some 75 % of the venison for your own consumption, which is better use of the carcass than 0%.
 
I'd echo what Freeforester says, it happens to all of us, even well placed bullets can turn, splinter etc and hilar/nest shots can split the food pipe of course.

If a small amount of green then wipe it out, don't hose as that spreads the potential contamination.

As for 'kit' I now do a suspended gralloch on all of my roe. In my roe sack I carry nitrile gloves, small hooks, a saw (I find Castrom the best) and blue larder tissue. It makes for a very clean carcass I find.

The well documented Highland Game E. coli case was, of course an unfortunate but rare case.
 
Lots of good advice above. As stalkers we should:

a) be prepared for most eventualities
B) try not to waste what we have harvested.

There are always shots that are less than perfect. We flinch on the shot, don’t see a twig, misjudge wind, deer takes a step, or mr murphy come to play.

But remember skin and animal muscle are designed to stop harmful bugs from getting in. So green slop inside the body cavity shouldn’t damage the haunches or back straps.
 
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