Scopes with a rail on the bottom, what are they called?

[njc110381]

Hi all,

I'm looking for a more modern scope to fit into my claw mounts on my drilling. The scope has a dovetail on the bottom that the claws fit to. The trouble is, any search I do on Ebay, Google etc for dovetail scope or similar results in the inevitable listings for scopes that fit to a dovetail, all of them pretty much!

Any idea how I can get around it? If I could just find another make other than Zeiss Jena so I could look through their rage it would be a help! I'd appreciate your thoughts.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

Swarovski still make railed scopes:

Here

Here

and

Here

Depends on your budget and preferred magnification. The above are just a few examples!

 

[Lateral]

It sounds like you're referring to a swing off mount, typical on that type of rifle.

Speak to Alan Rhone, they specialise in that type of mount, and will advise you of your options.

Alan Rhone Ltd - Contact

 

[Steff]

Hi all,

I'm looking for a more modern scope to fit into my claw mounts on my drilling. The scope has a dovetail on the bottom that the claws fit to. The trouble is, any search I do on Ebay, Google etc for dovetail scope or similar results in the inevitable listings for scopes that fit to a dovetail, all of them pretty much!

Any idea how I can get around it? If I could just find another make other than Zeiss Jena so I could look through their rage it would be a help! I'd appreciate your thoughts.

What you are looking for is the classic 70° rail. It is usually drilled when fitted.
To my knowledge the only new scopes available with this rail are some Schmidt & Bender Klassik (LMS) models and Kaps.

The current scopes by Zeiss, Meopta, Leica and many more have the new Zeiss inner-rail (LMZ).
Swarovski has its own rail called "swaro-rail" (SR), also the models linked above.
To make the picture complete, Schmidt & Bender has for many years also had its own rail, the convex-rail (LMC). On their new models they offer this in addition to the LMZ Zeiss rail.

 

[Klenchblaize]

"Scopes with a rail on the bottom, what are they called?"

Mainly a pain in the **** IHMO as somewhat ironically they can limit eye relief adjustment and even with a 56mm objective can 'perch' the scope somewhat higher above bore line than is ideal.

K

 

[AN DU RU FOX]

I quite like the name cooper for some reason, but in to days world it should be star butterfly or something simular!

 

[Steff]

Swarovski still make railed scopes:

Here

Here

and

Here

Depends on your budget and preferred magnification. The above are just a few examples!

‚Still‘ is quite negating reality. They sell more with than without rail.
The Swaro Rail is indeed the easiest ans safest way to mount a scope.

 

[mchughcb]

Just get one of these made up by alan rhone. I won't bither you on his correspondence so i got it made here by the local blaser gunsmith. He said he could have made one if i gave him more measurements.

 

[enfieldspares]

One version of the Zeiss is known as the ZM VM. Just search Zeiss ZM or Zeiss VM. Once upon a time they were known as Z-Rail. Like KLENCHBLAIZE I detest them. Horrible. All German systems are. Overcomplicated and well overpriced. Best of all is and was Holland's classic sidemount or the dedicated system sold by BRNO for the ZKK with a Zeiss-Jena 4x or 6x.

 

[Steff]

A sacrilege from an optical point of view.
And what is the target supposed to tell us? That it doesn‘t work properly?

 

[Steff]

One version of the Zeiss is known as the ZM VM. Just search Zeiss ZM or Zeiss VM. Once upon a time they were known as Z-Rail. Like KLENCHBLAIZE I detest them. Horrible. All German systems are. Overcomplicated and well overpriced. Best of all is and was Holland's classic sidemount or the dedicated system sold by BRNO for the ZKK with a Zeiss-Jena 4x or 6x.

I wonder if you people ever read opening posts.
He has a ‚dovetail‘ rail on his scope, which is the 70 degree prism.
Those were on the old Zeiss Diatal Z and Diavari Z models , not ZM or VM. Only with the introduction of the current inner rail VM became the denotation for the scopes with rail.

 

[Klenchblaize]

"I wonder if you people ever read opening posts."

Mention of a "rail" is a call to arms for even the most tolerant disciple of blued steel & walnut so how the Op chooses to dress-up his transgression is frankly of little importance!

K

 

[Steff]

Your ignorance is absolutely stunning!

 

[Klenchblaize]

Your ignorance is absolutely stunning!

And its only the 3rd of January.

K

 

[Lateral]

"Scopes with a rail on the bottom, what are they called?"

Mainly a pain in the **** IHMO as somewhat ironically they can limit eye relief adjustment and even with a 56mm objective can 'perch' the scope somewhat higher above bore line than is ideal.

K

Strange, this is totally the opposite of my experience.

I specifically choose a rail mount scope, because it IS the only scope that gives me sufficient eye relief, one because the rail extends further forward than you could ever fit the front ring, and two, because the turrets don't limit the position of rear ring.

I have the Z8i 2.3-18x56, and it couldn't be any lower.

As for fitting, compared to a ringed scope............................ BLISS !

 

[Klenchblaize]

Strange, this is totally the opposite of my experience.

I specifically choose a rail mount scope, because it IS the only scope that gives me sufficient eye relief, one because the rail extends further forward than you could ever fit the front ring, and two, because the turrets don't limit the position of rear ring.

I have the Z8i 2.3-18x56, and it couldn't be any lower.

As for fitting, compared to a ringed scope............................ BLISS !

I would concede things have moved on in this regard since introduction of the newer offerings. Similarly you can't argue with the bliss of not having to fiddle with reticle leveling!

K

 

[Bavarianbrit]

Send me a pic of your setup and I can give more advice, I do have a bunch of good S/H scopes with these rails.

 

[Coddy]

Both my scopes Z6i and Z8i fitted with Swarovski rail.
Both measure 46mm from centre of scope to centre of barrel.

 

[njc110381]

Thanks guys. A couple of pictures of it as it is. I have the claws but the scope is broken, and to be honest at 2.75x zoom I'd like a bit more anyway. It would work nicely with a 4x or 6x. I've seen the modern "rail" scopes but that's not it. I think the 70 degree dovetail Rider describes covers it pretty accurately, so I'll try searching for that. It is indeed drilled where the claws are fitted.

I don't want anything crazy fancy or modern. A Zeiss Jena 6x like I had on my old Brno 602 .375H&H would be spot on. I certainly don't want to put a rail on my drilling, as functional as that may be. I think this covers it nicely... "Mention of a "rail" is a call to arms for even the most tolerant disciple of blued steel & walnut"

 

[mchughcb]

Surely they could machine a piece, solder it on?