Scot Independence poll - would you leave?

[HonestJohn]

So today might be a big day for the future of Nicola's regime.

If we end up with Scotland being allowed to have another referendum, AND we end up with Scottish Independence...it brought something to my mind,,would I stay in the place I love, or would I leave abroad or just across the border to Northumberland?....

I have to say, I'd love to stay in Scotland, but don't like the fact it's going very socialist, too socialist in direction IMHO...but, that said,,if we then re-joined the EU, then Scotland would be better than south of the 'border'.....

Anyone thought about this hard subject and would take action with regards to actually leaving Scotland?

 

[bluesako]

would scottish people need a passport to come to england and visa versa ? bs

 

[JockStalk]

I was born in engerlund

 

[shakey jake]

how come the english cant vote too? im just about sick of nicolas army moaning id vote for scotland to leave

 

[Hornet 6]

Rubbish Poll.
How about Britain decides for those north of the border, utterly fed up with the crap coming from the north, its bad enough that our mob are not really any better.

Neil.

 

[User00035]

I might well be moving to Scotland myself so it's something I've thought about. If I was living in Scotland now and the vote went for independence, the first thing I'd do is wait. Definitely wouldn't do anything hasty. Living on the Northumberland/Durham border as I do now and knowing how prices have shot up, I wouldn't rush to join a stampede south and end up paying through the nose.

As to whether I would vote for indie if I were a Scottish citizen at the time of a referendum, the answer is yes definitely, if virtually anyone other than Sturgeon and the SNP were in government and had a clear and coherent plan for the country that did not involve handing the lot over to Brussels, which appears to be the SNP's only strategy. And I'm not sure an EU facing the biggest financial squeeze in its history with possible power blackouts this winter and a war on its border will want to take on Scotland's debts, nor face another Northern Irish-style border dispute with the UK. I'm not sure at all that a dispossessed Scotland turning up suitcase in hand on Brussel's doorstep would necessarily get a very warm welcome, even if I wanted back into the EU, which I emphatically don't.

I get that Scotland hates being governed from Westminster. So does a lot of England. I'd also dearly like to get out from under the distorted political influence of metropolitan London, which is the tail that wags the dog in national political life to an offensive degree. And I'd give my eye teeth to escape the ruinous economic and cultural effect that wealthy white-flight from London and the south east is having on other parts of the country. Overcrowding once peaceful places and driving property prices beyond the reach of locals. If I could vote for a barrier that stopped that toxic tide I'd do it like a shot.

As it is, with the soviet SNP in power and no discernible alternative, I probably wouldn't vote at all.

But it isn't going to happen now..

 

[jall55]

how come the english cant vote too? im just about sick of nicolas army moaning id vote for scotland to leave

And while we are at it Wales and that Drakeford

 

[Pete1774]

would scottish people need a passport to come to england and visa versa ? bs

So today might be a big day for the future of Nicola's regime.

If we end up with Scotland being allowed to have another referendum, AND we end up with Scottish Independence...it brought something to my mind,,would I stay in the place I love, or would I leave abroad or just across the border to Northumberland?....

I have to say, I'd love to stay in Scotland, but don't like the fact it's going very socialist, too socialist in direction IMHO...but, that said,,if we then re-joined the EU, then Scotland would be better than south of the 'border'.....

Anyone thought about this hard subject and would take action with regards to actually leaving Scotland?

If the Scots vote for independence then let them have it, border, passports and all. Also import/export tariffs just like any other "foreign" country and definitely no financial support from the rest of the UK. It would be interesting to see how the SNP would deal with the economy without the "We want independence" shouting to distract from the real problems of running a small country of just over 5 million. Well there's 5 million or so now, but how many would remain in a post referendum Scotland? As for joining the EU, well that would take years.

 

[b 6.5 s]

She doesn't want independence it's a pipe dream she just requires camouflage to hide all the mistakes and something else to blame on Westminster

 

[Tarquin]

The big question for me would be how Scotland would finance itself if it became independent?
Border control, air traffic control, currency, military and on and on.
I cant help thinking independence is a power thing for sturgeon.
Would be interesting to find the demographic of folk who vote for the snp.
I visit scotland a couple of times a year and have welsh friends who live there.
They have said they would move to the borders if krankie gets her way.
On Yahoo news just now it says they cant have another referendum without UK governments say so.

 

[splash]

Well she’s lost

 

[User00047]

Well she’s lost

 

[Apthorpe]

So today might be a big day for the future of Nicola's regime.

If we end up with Scotland being allowed to have another referendum, AND we end up with Scottish Independence...it brought something to my mind,,would I stay in the place I love, or would I leave abroad or just across the border to Northumberland?....

I have to say, I'd love to stay in Scotland, but don't like the fact it's going very socialist, too socialist in direction IMHO..but, that said,,if we then re-joined the EU, then Scotland would be better than south of the 'border'.....

Why? What tangible benefit would being in the EU bring to Scots, other than easier emigration? The loss would be clear - loss of subsidisation by the English, loss of the economy's largest (by far) trading partner, loss of access to shared national infrastructure - defence, health, ports etc. And does that outweigh the harm of excessive socialism?

Anyone thought about this hard subject and would take action with regards to actually leaving Scotland?

The big question for me would be how Scotland would finance itself if it became independent?
Border control, air traffic control, currency, military and on and on.
I cant help thinking independence is a power thing for sturgeon.

It is, for her and the SNP. And would the unstinting campaign to accrue more political power end on independence? I think not. Far more likely to develop into a tyranny. Especially given what we can presume from current politics. Presumably the main attraction of the SNP is their policy on independence. Having achieved independence, the SNP's only area of success disappears, and all the other parties are effectively British. Would the SNP hand over power to any of them after an election? Would they even exist? The Scottish press appears to have shown no interest in this at all. An independent future is likely to look like 1930s Germany, but the best it could plausibly look like is South Africa - effectively a one party state for 30 years. I'd have thought Scots ought to have more curiosity about what lies the other side of the leap.

Would be interesting to find the demographic of folk who vote for the snp.

Easy. Look for areas where the pavements have two parallel sets of four grooves worn into them.

I visit scotland a couple of times a year and have welsh friends who live there.
They have said they would move to the borders if krankie gets her way.
On Yahoo news just now it says they cant have another referendum without UK governments say so.

 

[finnbear270]

We would have to have a Guantánamo sub base, though.

 

[Sakoodin1]

I’m a Scot born and bred and my patriotism runs deep into my blood but on that note I have and will always vote to stay as we are!! I believe it’s far better p***ing in a big pot than a small one!!!! Could you imagine the uproar by the snp loyalists and central belt/in comers to the islands if England wanted to vote Scotland out?? Now that would give her something to think about and I’m quite sure it wouldn’t take long before she started to shout the racism/victimisation card!! This country (Britain ) is in a bad enough way as it is without a split! Just last year in our wee borders village we had a set of Londoners move into a 1.5milliin pound house and within a month they were writing to the community council to stop the local lorry contractor parking his lorry in the 50 year old lorry yard and trying to stop the shoot I work on because of the noise of the shooting. They like Scotland as it is and the way it works until they move here, then they want to change it into something it wasn’t. Drives me crazy. Needles to say the covid escape has passed for them and the house is up for sale yet again. But if they had got there way and still moved where would it of left the locals they were effecting?

 

[HonestJohn]

I’m a Scot born and bred and my patriotism runs deep into my blood but on that note I have and will always vote to stay as we are!! I believe it’s far better p***ing in a big pot than a small one!!!! Could you imagine the uproar by the snp loyalists and central belt/in comers to the islands if England wanted to vote Scotland out?? Now that would give her something to think about and I’m quite sure it wouldn’t take long before she started to shout the racism/victimisation card!! This country (Britain ) is in a bad enough way as it is without a split! Just last year in our wee borders village we had a set of Londoners move into a 1.5milliin pound house and within a month they were writing to the community council to stop the local lorry contractor parking his lorry in the 50 year old lorry yard and trying to stop the shoot I work on because of the noise of the shooting. They like Scotland as it is and the way it works until they move here, then they want to change it into something it wasn’t. Drives me crazy. Needles to say the covid escape has passed for them and the house is up for sale yet again. But if they had got there way and still moved where would it of left the locals they were effecting?

where in scotland? only asking as I think I know the story

 

[Sakoodin1]

where in scotland? only asking as I think I know the story

Dumfriesshire,I’m only 20 miles off being English if the truth be told

 

[Apthorpe]

I’m a Scot born and bred and my patriotism runs deep into my blood but on that note I have and will always vote to stay as we are!! I believe it’s far better p***ing in a big pot than a small one!!!! Could you imagine the uproar by the snp loyalists and central belt/in comers to the islands if England wanted to vote Scotland out?? Now that would give her something to think about and I’m quite sure it wouldn’t take long before she started to shout the racism/victimisation card!! This country (Britain ) is in a bad enough way as it is without a split! Just last year in our wee borders village we had a set of Londoners move into a 1.5milliin pound house and within a month they were writing to the community council to stop the local lorry contractor parking his lorry in the 50 year old lorry yard and trying to stop the shoot I work on because of the noise of the shooting. They like Scotland as it is and the way it works until they move here, then they want to change it into something it wasn’t. Drives me crazy. Needles to say the covid escape has passed for them and the house is up for sale yet again. But if they had got there way and still moved where would it of left the locals they were effecting?

Well, presumably the local who trousered £1.5 million isn't complaining too much.
When that sort of situation arises, the blame should not fall exclusively on the incomer. A large chunk of it belongs to the greedy subset of locals who profited from it. There's nothing, other than greed, preventing locals from selling to locals. (I hasten to add that I am sure I would take the highest offer if from a non-local, and be equally guilty.) Alternatively, it may well be that there weren't any locals in the market for that sort of house.

Rural markets are in something of an odd position. The inescapable fact of the matter is that most areas are not economically self-sufficient, and this has certainly been the case for the large majority of Scotland's land area for over 150 years. It applies equally across large sections of England. If you were to have a situation where "rich incomers" didn't move in, then you're going to have a situation where the area becomes chronically economically, intellectually and probably demographically depressed. Agriculture and associated activity is not sufficient to sustain an area.

As a side thought, I wonder where the money that funds the shoot you work on originates? In most cases, a large proportion of it flows from large cities, or activities carried out in large cities.

 

[Sakoodin1]

Well, presumably the local who trousered £1.5 million isn't complaining too much.

They moved over the west of Scotland to a smaller retirement house as they were both 70.

As a side thought, I wonder where the money that funds the shoot you work on originates? In most cases, a large proportion of it flows from large cities, or activities carried out in large cities.

the estate has been in the family for 100 years now but most of it came from the steel factories of Glasgow way back in the day.


In order to get rich in most cases someone gets shafted! There’s always a causality of some sort along the way.

 

[bowji john]

I have mixed feeling

Firstly, I’m an import, so not sure I’m entitled to an opinion

That said …

I’d be sad to see Scotland leave

I’d not be sad to be rid of 50 socialist MPs in Parliament

I’d fear a bankrupt Scotland, owned by the Chinese and have the PRC camped on the northern borders