Heym SR20
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Ah, but she has won a record third term in the Scottish Parliament.
But when this air rifle licensing ends up as complete and utter mess it will be all the fault of the Tories of course!
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Ah, but she has won a record third term in the Scottish Parliament.
But when this air rifle licensing ends up as complete and utter mess it will be all the fault of the Tories of course!
Less than half of voters that turned out voted for SNP, which means only 1 in 4 of those registered to vote.
But they'll have there own spin on that.
Might be a bit harder to fire bullets at the 'Westminster Tories that we didn't vote in' when they are now the electorates choice of opposition in Scotland.
So Ruth, aim your sights at Land Reform Bill, Airgun Licensing, Nominated Responsible Persons and shine the light on CAP payment cock-up, failing schools, hospitals, councils, universities, jobs market............oh, and where did that oil tax revenue go again?
But they'll have there own spin on that.
Might be a bit harder to fire bullets at the 'Westminster Tories that we didn't vote in' when they are now the electorates choice of opposition in Scotland.
So Ruth, aim your sights at Land Reform Bill, Airgun Licensing, Nominated Responsible Persons and shine the light on CAP payment cock-up, failing schools, hospitals, councils, universities, jobs market............oh, and where did that oil tax revenue go again?
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Unfortunately I think the Greens will be easily persuaded to align their 6 MSPs with SNP policy to given them their working majority.
Sinistral
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Jock,
While this has nothing to with the AWLS, that numbers argument is no longer valid with the Additional Members system of PR used in allocating MSP’s by Region.
The SNP increased their Constituency MSP’s from 53 to 59 of the 73 this time (straight majority), but only gained 4 of the 56 MSP’s allocated by Region against the 16 they got last time.
The share of the 2.3M vote by party has been accurately reflected to their cost, despite increasing their share of the popular vote. Who would have thought Labour would trail in 3rd place in Scotland? The only real problem I have with the Scottish Election results is fathoming how the Greens ended up with 6 of the 129 seats with only 0.6% of the total vote.
Chanty Wrassler
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Vote share - Regional List
SNP 41.7% proxime accessit Conservative 22.9%
Vote share - Constituencies
SNP 46.5% proxime accessit Labour 22.6%
Cut it / spin it any way you like, the hard fact is that no other party came close, the SNP pretty much had a walkover.
matt_hooks
Well-Known Member
On a nationalist agenda appealing to the, let's say, lowest common denominator. Don't get me wrong, I love living in Scotland, but I don't like nationalism in any form. It's a novel experience for me to experience racism. An enlightening one too.
If we all vote labour to keep SNP at bay
?!?!!!
Vote in the most likely bunch who will do away with firearms & fieldsports as we know it ?
Eh ... No thank you
Vote in a party whose leader is at best a doe eyed hippy with rose tinted glasses view on the world & who elected a self confessed hard line vegan as agricultural minister ?
Couldn't make that **** up !
I'd not vote at all before I vote labour
Paul
If we all vote labour to keep SNP at bay
?!?!!!
Vote in the most likely bunch who will do away with firearms & fieldsports as we know it ?
Eh ... No thank you
Vote in a party whose leader is at best a doe eyed hippy with rose tinted glasses view on the world & who elected a self confessed hard line vegan as agricultural minister ?
Couldn't make that **** up !
I'd not vote at all before I vote labour
Paul
Sinistral
Well-Known Member
You’ve missed your chance for 5 years. I’m sure you’re joking about not voting when this is the philosophy of idiots like Russell Brand.
The Scots are quite canny when it comes to voting. I think they’re learning to make the most of the PR system controlling 40% of seats in Scotland.
Even against crippling odds the SNP won an absolute majority in 2011. The only way to check them this time was to get out and vote Tory. Every one of the Glasgow constituency seats went to the SNP, but a Labour minority got the consolation prize of a few more Scottish Regional seats to scrape in third. It’s a strange system in Scotland, but I wish we had it in England.
Bewsher, you're wrong about the Air Weapons & Licensing Act. This got Royal Assent last August.
Police Scotland have already got the bones of a system in place. They aren't using the national computer system (NFLMS) for licensing. but reverting to the old SHOGUN system which can at least be modified with an AWL bolt-on bit.
I'll be along to collect on our wager when your time is up.
This could be just like Prohibition in the U.S. in the 1920's. Truckloads of illegal air weapons being smuggled across the border for the English to buy at rock-bottom prices
Here's a link to the AWL Act regime for you boys. You'll need to brush up now.
Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Act 2015
The Scots are quite canny when it comes to voting. I think they’re learning to make the most of the PR system controlling 40% of seats in Scotland.
Even against crippling odds the SNP won an absolute majority in 2011. The only way to check them this time was to get out and vote Tory. Every one of the Glasgow constituency seats went to the SNP, but a Labour minority got the consolation prize of a few more Scottish Regional seats to scrape in third. It’s a strange system in Scotland, but I wish we had it in England.
Bewsher, you're wrong about the Air Weapons & Licensing Act. This got Royal Assent last August.
Police Scotland have already got the bones of a system in place. They aren't using the national computer system (NFLMS) for licensing. but reverting to the old SHOGUN system which can at least be modified with an AWL bolt-on bit.
I'll be along to collect on our wager when your time is up.
This could be just like Prohibition in the U.S. in the 1920's. Truckloads of illegal air weapons being smuggled across the border for the English to buy at rock-bottom prices
Here's a link to the AWL Act regime for you boys. You'll need to brush up now.
Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Act 2015
matt_hooks
Well-Known Member
This could be just like Prohibition in the U.S. in the 1920's. Truckloads of illegal air weapons being smuggled across the border for the English to buy at rock-bottom prices
I'm looking forward to the value dropping out of the second hand market so I can mop up a load of guns for pennies.
Dan Newcombe
Well-Known Member
What happens if you sell an air rifle to someone on the other side of the border?
You will either not have anywhere to say you have moved it on to (Scotland to England) or where you have bought it from (England to Scotland) so only a partial paper trail.
Surely this will leave a massive hole where guns can disappear, i sold it to a lad in England ........... no i have no idea who he is or where he lives.
You will either not have anywhere to say you have moved it on to (Scotland to England) or where you have bought it from (England to Scotland) so only a partial paper trail.
Surely this will leave a massive hole where guns can disappear, i sold it to a lad in England ........... no i have no idea who he is or where he lives.
Sinistral
Well-Known Member
That's as easy as ABC or painting by numbers (I think?)
...Transactions involving air weapons and commercial matters
24 Restrictions on transactions involving air weapons
(2)It is an offence for a person (“A”) to sell or transfer an air weapon to another person (“B”) unless—
(a)B is a registered firearms dealer,
(b)B holds an air weapon certificate (without a condition attached to it preventing B from purchasing or acquiring an air weapon) and shows it to A,
(c)A is a registered firearms dealer and is satisfied that—
(i)in a case where B is an individual, B is aged 18 years or more, and
(ii)the air weapon is to be delivered to a place outwith Great Britain, or to a registered firearms dealer in England or Wales, without first coming into B’s possession, or
(d)B provides evidence to A that B is otherwise entitled to purchase or acquire an air weapon without holding an air weapon certificate by virtue of the provisions of this Part.
There's no mention of identifying & recording individual AW's so it looks a bit like the SGC where you can have any number without accounting for each.
If the buyer is Scottish he should have an AWC (or a FAC or SGC in the interim period). You will need Proof of Age, and Address on disposals to the English who may not have any of these.
The AWC has yet to appear, so it might have a transaction section on it like Part A & B of an FAC, but that's a guess.
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Dan Newcombe
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Makes sense, bag of worms like the wildlife crime chap said you are as well getting a FAC version.
Should be some good air guns going cheap shortly
Should be some good air guns going cheap shortly
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