levigsp
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Gefore you reply to someone in a sarcastic way, try reading what the say. if you try and do that now! perhaps you will realise what a stupid answer you gave.
SGA lead free ammo survey results
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Conor O'Gorman
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I can't speak for the other shooting organisations but BASC has said a "big fat no" to any further restriction on lead ammunition at every stage of the HSE lead ammunition review.
Smellydog
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That's a big fat lie as well Conor!
Which was never reflected in your own numerous emotional postings justifying further lead shot restrictions.
Heym SR20
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I think this is hilarious you lot are worse than me!
How about this -
Those who want to shoot lead - shoot lead
Those who want to shoot copper or equivalent do that.
That would save and almighty heap of drivel that’s been rolling on for donkeys years.
Even I’m getting too long in the tooth for it
Not being sarcastic. If you read the Ohanian article on heavy metals and AML, the actual levels are very much below what is considered to be “normal”. “Normal” probably means you are not suffering acute lead poisoning. You are also forgetting that lead is accumulative and its goes from the blood into bone etc. Your body can only get rid of lead if you use chelation. So as you carry on eating lead contaminated meat more will be absorbed. Perhaps not a lot each time, but a little accumulates.
But as I said previously, it’s your body.
I’m viewing your posts in a different light after reading the above and wondering if they are as equally accurate.
Norfolk Deer Search
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One thing I can tell you after 3 of not 4 bans ls is this -
People don’t like having stuff rammed down their throats constantly and with all due respect you are very much sounding like a broken record as did I many moons ago.
Personally I have come to the conclusion that people will do what they want to do regardless of your opinion or beliefs.
So let them do what they want, you do what you want and everyone is a winner
Like I said in a previous thread, let those who want to shoot lead do so and those who want to shoot copper or equivalent do so.
Heym SR20
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Heym SR20
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I agree with you. If people want to use lead carry on. But at the same time understand the risks, and don’t just rubbish the widespread scientific and medical views on the matter. Stating that lead does no harm and is perfectly safe is just incorrect. This is a view that some do take.One thing I can tell you after 3 of not 4 bans ls is this -
People don’t like having stuff rammed down their throats constantly and with all due respect you are very much sounding like a broken record as did I many moons ago.
Personally I have come to the conclusion that people will do what they want to do regardless of your opinion or beliefs.
So let them do what they want, you do what you want and everyone is a winner
Like I said in a previous thread, let those who want to shoot lead do so and those who want to shoot copper or equivalent do so.
palmer_mike
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Im not sure anyone is denying that in certain circumstances lead is proven to be harmful. I think the disagreement comes when it’s asserted that lead is harmful when used in ammunition. The link between real harm to consumers of game meat and lead ammunition is yet to be established as far as I can see.
Norfolk Deer Search
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Personally in my uneducated opinion, you’ve got more chance of catching the clap from a cheap whore house on a bank holiday buy one get one free, then lead shot or lead bullets killing you
Conor O'Gorman
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Your continued ad hominem arguments are immature and unnecessary. Please stick to the topic.
Conor O'Gorman
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That may be your belief but your viewpoint is incorrect and the fact is that BASC has said no to any further restriction on lead ammunition at every stage of the HSE lead ammunition review.
Heym SR20
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If you go and read the literature you may form a very different view on such matters.
As stated earlier it doesn’t really matter about your view or mine as regards the ban.
The powers that be will have read the science, taken the view of experts and make their own rulings on the matter. The indications and recommendations from the HSE is that they will take view that lead ammunition should not be used in the shooting of game and venison that will end up in the food chain, nor should lead shot be spread on our fields and woods.
They also expect considerable non compliance from the shooting community, thus the ban will be on the sale or transfer of any ammunition containing lead. There may be exceptions - for example non expanding target bullets for target shooting where the bullets can be captured and later removed.
The ammunition industry in the UK was given a good kick a few years ago and fortunately we now have many non toxic solutions available with many more in development. Yes there are some obsolete calibres / cartridges where lead free is not available yet, or not yet available in the UK market (such as the 410 or 28 bore), but for the vast majority of shooting and deer stalking there are good non toxic options available.
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That's one i didn't expect to readAs many will know I am the biggest advocate of copper bullets particularly Barnes TTSX, but for the last year I’ve been using lead.
Picked up 600 7mm sierra gamekings at £35 a box
I do have 3 boxes of barnes in stock but frankly after shooing copper for the best part of 20 years and frankly I can’t be bothered.
I am quite enjoying shooting lead, it works
Good to see you back
Norfolk Deer Search
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I’ve got a lovely custom 7x57 and it just works, I will faff with the barnes 150’s when I can be arsed, no hurryThat's one i didn't expect to read
Good to see you back
The point is that you have continually flooded shooting forums with inconclusive information in support of further restrictions on lead shot use.
Now you attempt to portray yourself and BASC as having consistently fought against lead shot restrictions.
As you have raised the issue of BASC’s continual defence of retaining the use of lead shot and your own posts contradict that stance my comment is very much on topic.
Rather than unsubstantiated childish name calling perhaps you could explain how you can spend a substantial amount of time making the case for further lead shot restrictions then proudly proclaim that BASC has always said a big fat no to lead shot restrictions.
Conor O'Gorman
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Your continued ad hominem arguments are immature and unnecessary. Please stick to the topic.
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The point I was raising was your inability to differentiate between a protein which is composed of amino acids and nicotine which is an alkaloid. That level of inaccuracy caused me to question the accuracy of the interpretations within your posts.
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