deeangeo
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Nobody is cutting off the UK’s nuts.
The UK will survive and grow perfectly well outside the EU, even if an undetermined period of readjustment is required.
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Nobody is cutting off the UK’s nuts.
The UK will survive and grow perfectly well outside the EU, even if an undetermined period of readjustment is required.
You remainers amaze me, question in pub this evening, farmers, builders, solicitors 24 people. No deal or keep trying for deal. 21 No deal. Peoples vote 24 No. Vote for Remain 1. You people ain't got a clue and neither have the govt, this is a rural area with commuters to cities. This is how the majority feel pal tried it 80 miles away last night much the same result over 40 odd folk.
african jack
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just read there is a shortage of antidepressant medication I think Britex is to blame all the remoaners are shoving them down there necks like sweeties
african jack
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Forgot to add I think Imodium might be next
Chasey
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We are definitely going to lose, but the Brexit hard nuts done seem to have figured that out yet
May announces mobilisation of 3500 troops to deel with security, medical supply shortages, food shortages and fuel shortages in the event of a no deel????
Yep, nothing to worry about
Chasey
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Yes May had to sacrifice a hell of a lot to get a deel that offered economic stability and sorted the Irish border issue.
Put JRM and Borris in charge and the deal would have been no better and probably a lot worse. We are in the weaker position. Failure to accept that is at the very core of the average Brexit voters problem
I think "short term disruption" is right up here with "acceptable levels of loss" in terms of glossing over the serious issues that many people will suffer in the event of a no deel.
In many ways I wish it would happen just so I could say I told you so, but its not going to happen.
Its like a necular threat. Yes we have the bombs, but surely no one is insane enough to drop them. Especially on a entity that can fight back and has bigger bombs.
enfieldspares
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I saw Johnson on the news. It is now quite clear that for him Brexit was no more nor less that a vehicle to promote the career of Boris Johnson. He's now even denying that he referenced Turkish entry into the EU yet clearly signed, with Gove, a letter that did.
jimmy milnes
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He's just the same as ALL politicians ES but I know I'm preaching to the converted
shbangsteve
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Amazing isn't it. i just don't know how the likes of the USA, Japan, Canada, Australia, NZ and the rest of the world survive being outside the EU. I bet they can't wait to join, have the Euro and surrender all their government to Brussels.
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Error and understatement. In equal measure. Her deal did not deliver UK borders on UK terms. The EU sought to leverage our desire for unity by placing untenable consequences for NI in the event we tried to extricate from the bondage of the Withdrawl Agreement.
The chasm in thinking between Remain and Leave is quite baffling to me. We have access to the same data. There are statements of fact, and there is conjecture. Many conflate those two to their own confusion.
At the centre of the Leave argument are these undeniable truths: As a member of the EU, the UK is subservient to an unelected, very expensive and unaccountable plutocracy, we are kowtowing to a superior legal authority [ECJ], we are vassal in lapping up of that extraneous law giver's diktats [European Commission], told how to spend some of our tax revenues which does include spending some on other nations willy-nilly, disastrous CAP, we have no control over our borders, fisheries, are being lead into a United States of Europe, etc.
At the centre of the Remain position is a pastiche of statements that include: we need Europe, we are better in Europe than outside, as part of the EU we can influence from within [although there is zero evidence that has ever happened], leaving will be expensive [particularly a No Deal option] , travel to Europe will be impeded if we are not in it, big pharma will fail, science and research can only bloom under common market governance, etc. The reality is that the EU zone has been a stellar underperformer in global economic terms. We are not better off staying shackled to it.
Little of the Remain position is grounded in empirical data. It is principally bogey-man corralling of minds. The stuff of life and trade happen all round the world between nations not in the EU. Fact. If we come out on WTO terms, any tariff increases would be bilateral and thus costs would net out or the UK would become net gainers. Fact: in that scenario, the economy would have approx £350m a week to help small businesses adjust to new terms of engagement with EU whilst looking to custom further afield with impunity.
That is one of the best factual statements yet on this forum. Yet we will still have some who will argue against it. But then even in our small stalking world it has to be expected that there are a proportion of the people with limited learning ability.
Enjoyed this today, https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=295404314495922
Is this intended as some sort of rebuttal? If so, it is as lame as Baldrick's cunning plan. Even his best one.
Whilst we remain members of the EU, the UK remits circa £350m a week to that entity. They give some back, conditional upon us using those funds on projects they deem appropriate. The rest of monies we send to the EU bolsters projects in the wider EU. And in the past those funds have also helped the EU to migrate industries from our shores to elsewhere in their fiefdom.
The Youtube clip above uses a highly editted collection of interview pieces to attempt to paint a false picture of Gisela's stance and does not cover its author in glory, nor find Gisela guilty of untruth. The maker of that sequence has not revealed some glaring campaign lie. Gisela rightly makes clear we are currently losing control of £350m tax revenue each week.
The Leave campaign bus slogan that declared we might be able to divert those monies into the NHS merely dumbed down the proposition using an emotive example of how we might prefer to use those monies. But the underlying truth that we have no control over the disbursement of EU membership-fee/taxation remains stet.
Not giving those monies to the EU puts the ball back in our court. As I stated before, I believe the new home for that money should be to serve as a clutching mechanism to allow small businesses to make the required structural changes without risk. We can up NHS payments in 2024...
Chasey
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Seriously? Thats your argument?
USA has been trying to do a trade deel with the EU for a decade, but on their terms, so they have failed
Japan has a free trade deel with the EU
Canada has already got CETS free trade deel with the EU
Australia has a close relationship with the EU and formed a trade deel in 2008
New Zeeland has started talks in 2017 on a comprehensive trade deel with the EU
The rest of the world?
There are 50 non EU countries with comprehensive trade deals with the EU at this point in time but it may come as a shock to you, the countries you listed are actualy NOT in Europe so they could never become part of the EU itself
Many countries like Egypt Turkey etc. are openly trading in the Euro. So much so on my trip to Egypt over Christmas they would not accept the Egyptian pound in any location I visited. It was Euro or nothing. (but they would do USD on credit card). We took a couple thousand Egyptian pounds for bits and bobs and ended up getting them changed for Euros.
So yes EVERY country is clamouring to get part of the EU action and the EU has the clout to do some amazing deels
The ONLY country you could have mentioned with any small amount of credibility would have been Russia but like Turkey we all know Russia could not meet the standards required for EU memberships.
52% of Russia's trade is with the EU. 75% of all foreign investment in Russia is from the EU.
They currently have the 1997 PCA (Partnership & Cooperation Agreement) with the EU which includes a trade agreement
The EU has more power over the former soviet state than ANY other entity or country on the planet.
Russia was negotiating a comprehensive trade agreement with the EU starting in 2008 but talks were suspended in 2014 by the EU due to the situation in the Ukraine
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