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[I. Farticus]

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1. The proportion of foreign national prisoners in the prison population has increased steadily over the past decade. In the early/mid 1990s foreign prisoners accounted for 8% of the total prison population increasing to approximately 14% by June 2006. Since then the proportion of foreign nationals in prisons has fallen slightly and was 13% in March 2012.

2. At 31 March 2012 there were 11,127 foreign nationals in prisons in England and Wales from 156 different countries. Ten of these countries accounted for one-half of the foreign nationals in prisons. Jamaica, Poland and the Irish Republic are the countries with the most nationals in prison establishments.

3. As at 30 June 2011 one-half of prisoners in England and Wales were of Christian faith while 30% were recorded as having no religion. Note: 12.5% of Muslim faith

4. Prison population by ethnic group, 30 June 2011 -
White - 74.3%
Mixed - 3.7%
Asian/Asian British - 7.4%
Black/Black British - 13.4%
Chinese or Other - 1.1%

So, in summary:
Religion - 87.5% Non-Muslim
Ethnicity - 74.3% White
Nationality - 88.0% British

Draw your own conclusions from the facts...

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[bewsher500]

Not all Muslims are terrorist

But almost all terrorists are Muslim

It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. This should not be offensive because it's obvious.

I suggest you consider looking a little further back in history than 11th Sept 2001 for your "terrorist" demographics.
the word genius should not be seen in the company of such widely inaccurate statements

 

[palmer_mike]

Not all Muslims are terrorist

But almost all terrorists are Muslim

It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. This should not be offensive because it's obvious.

9/11 was the worst terrorist attack on American soil which was carried out by Muslim terrorists.
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the second worst attack on American soil was the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995, carried out by Timothy mcveigh. Home grown white Christian 'American' ( if there is such a thing as your all descended from immigrants anyway - excluding the Native American).

seems your argument doesn't really stack up.

 

[jimbo1984]

Server Error - Parliament UK

Pages 8-11:
1. The proportion of foreign national prisoners in the prison population has increased steadily over the past decade. In the early/mid 1990s foreign prisoners accounted for 8% of the total prison population increasing to approximately 14% by June 2006. Since then the proportion of foreign nationals in prisons has fallen slightly and was 13% in March 2012.

2. At 31 March 2012 there were 11,127 foreign nationals in prisons in England and Wales from 156 different countries. Ten of these countries accounted for one-half of the foreign nationals in prisons. Jamaica, Poland and the Irish Republic are the countries with the most nationals in prison establishments.

3. As at 30 June 2011 one-half of prisoners in England and Wales were of Christian faith while 30% were recorded as having no religion. Note: 12.5% of Muslim faith

4. Prison population by ethnic group, 30 June 2011 -
White - 74.3%
Mixed - 3.7%
Asian/Asian British - 7.4%
Black/Black British - 13.4%
Chinese or Other - 1.1%

So, in summary:
Religion - 87.5% Non-Muslim
Ethnicity - 74.3% White
Nationality - 88.0% British

Draw your own conclusions from the facts...

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Yet seeing as Muslims make up around 5 % of the population 12.5 % seems a little high !

 

[Si]

islam is not compatible with western culture and should be outlawed as a criminal / terrorist organisation ....just saying like.

Sorry I must have mis-understood, but whatever

 

[I. Farticus]

Yet seeing as Muslims make up around 5 % of the population 12.5 % seems a little high !

So, a 1.3 multiple as opposed to Black/Black British who are 13.4% of the prison population, yet 2.7% of the General population so a 5.0 multiple

I've delivered the facts, you're choosing to extrapolate numbers that stack up for your argument.

This isn't meant to be an "I'm right, you're wrong" argument, but there's enough tension without looking to create more.

Cheers
iain

 

[stag1933]

Not all Muslims are terrorist

But almost all terrorists are Muslim

It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. This should not be offensive because it's obvious.

Words of wisdom Sir.
Here we are the International Health Service of the world, Policemen of the world , an open door to foreigners, criminals and economic scroungers , no death penalty for murder and a Prime Minister more interested in Gay Marriage than protecting our own indiginous population.
God help us all as Allah will not !


HWH.

 

[palmer_mike]

Israel and the Serbs where/are about the only with guts to do something about it. We should support them.

While Israel may have a dubious human rights record I can let that part of your statement pass (as there may be two sides to that countries problems).

On the other hand I find it disgusting than you are prepared to congratulate the Serbs for having the guts to do something about it. Should we support them for the concentration camps and massacres of Muslims men and boys? Should we also congratulate them for the systematic rape of thousands of Muslim women?

maybe that's what you'd like to see happen on a Europe wide basis?

 

[Johno100]

So, a 1.3 multiple as opposed to Black/Black British who are 13.4% of the prison population, yet 2.7% of the General population so a 5.0 multiple

I've delivered the facts, you're choosing to extrapolate numbers that stack up for your argument.

This isn't meant to be an "I'm right, you're wrong" argument, but there's enough tension without looking to create more.

Cheers
iain

Ah yes , sit back , behave and take the cr** regardless of what it costs British society.

 

[flyawaymac]

Just heard an interview with a chap called Chris Hunter, his view was the goverment should stop wasting time and money on Gay marriage and Badger culls and start thinking about national security and immigration policies, at last some with a bit of common sence.


My thoughts are with the family and friends

 

[NorthDorset]

Guys

I don't doubt the numbers but really I really don't give a damn on the facts you are producing. A stalking/ firearms forum is not a place to sound off about any race, religion, creed or colour. You do us no favours as a community.

What happened yesterday is a tragedy for a young mans family and a wake up call that terrorists are being radicalised on our own doorstep and motivated to do this. Yes its outrageous and I'm sure we are all deeply affected.

I note also that nobody is calling for a ban on Cleavers and knives. This is the shape of the world we work in. Please lets not hand ammunition to the anti's by showing anything other than concern and sympathy. We are a law abiding and tolerant group, slow to anger and quick to forgive.

Many a bad thing is done in the name of a cause. Ghandi said "I like your Jesus" "Its a shame Christians cant be more like him."

Please knock it off lads and remember where you are.

 

[Johno100]

Guys

I don't doubt the numbers but really I really don't give a damn on the facts you are producing. A stalking/ firearms forum is not a place to sound off about any race, religion, creed or colour. You do us no favours as a community.

What happened yesterday is a tragedy for a young mans family and a wake up call that terrorists are being radicalised on our own doorstep and motivated to do this. Yes its outrageous and I'm sure we are all deeply affected.

I note also that nobody is calling for a ban on Cleavers and knives. This is the shape of the world we work in. Please lets not hand ammunition to the anti's by showing anything other than concern and sympathy. We are a law abiding and tolerant group, slow to anger and quick to forgive.

Many a bad thing is done in the name of a cause. Ghandi said "I like your Jesus" "Its a shame Christians cant be more like him."

Please knock it off lads and remember where you are.

You are right.Over and out.

 

[I. Farticus]

You are right.Over and out.

Agreed, and apologies

 

[UTGrad]

Come on hunting season...only 125 days!!
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[jimbo1984]

So, a 1.3 multiple as opposed to Black/Black British who are 13.4% of the prison population, yet 2.7% of the General population so a 5.0 multiple

I've delivered the facts, you're choosing to extrapolate numbers that stack up for your argument.

This isn't meant to be an "I'm right, you're wrong" argument, but there's enough tension without looking to create more.

Cheers
iain

First of all sir I have no argument at all , secondly you're the one who started with the statistics not me , I'm personally not interested in arguments but you dont seem to like it when anybody dares disagree with your viewpoint ,
the fact is the attack and the people who did it are disgusting and no amount of arguing about race or religion here will change that.

 

[I. Farticus]

First of all sir I have no argument at all , secondly you're the one who started with the statistics not me , I'm personally not interested in arguments but you dont seem to like it when anybody dares disagree with your viewpoint ,
the fact is the attack and the people who did it are disgusting and no amount of arguing about race or religion here will change that.

Ok, let's move on. I think we're in violent agreement that yesterday was f*cked up, and this isn't going to solve anything.

Cheers
iain

 

[jimbo1984]

Ok, let's move on. I think we're in violent agreement that yesterday was f*cked up, and this isn't going to solve anything.

Cheers
iain

Agreed sir

​Jim

 

[sikamalc]

Gentlemen,

having just returned from being away with clients for the past 4 days I have not had time to read all the posts on this thread. But suffice to say that any form of uncalled remarks that could bring the site into disrepute will be dealt with in the form of an outright ban from this site.
So if anyone has made an inappropriate remark I suggest they remove it QUICKLY!!

In the meantime let us not forget that a man has died and this is an OPEN forum and in respect for his family and all those that knew him we should pay our respects by letting the authorities deal with the offenders and not make remarks that may cause concern and upset.


Of course our sincere condolences go to his family and loved ones.

 

[JAYB]

I have just read through this and got as far as page 11 when I decided enough is enough and locked the thread. I then went to the end to put my bit when I saw that Malcolm had beat me to it, so I see the need to say no more,

John