Local gun shop owner saying its a blanket letter that's gone out, everyone is getting it. Licensing department are working from home due to Covid, hence no answer on telephone. Ive emailed SYP asking for clarification and asked SACS for their opinion. Will update when / IF i get any replies but until then am ignoring it.
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This has just landed in my inbox as I subscribe to a local SYP alert program.
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Licensed Shotgun and Firearms Holders Increase Security
South Yorkshire Police are encouraging and monitoring licensed shotgun and firearms holders to increase their level of security to ensure guns and weapons do not fall into the hands of criminals.
New regulations are being enforced following burglaries where firearms have been stolen from licensed holders, due to their security having not been sufficient enough to stop thieves.
Before anyone is granted a Shotgun or Firearms Certificate, a thorough inspection is carried out by a Firearms Enquiry Officer to ensure the person applying has the correct security. An interview is also conducted to understand previous contact with the police, family relationships, medical conditions and lifestyle factors. These are all part of the Home Office suitability criteria and essential to protect our communities.
To increase South Yorkshire’s protection, certificate holders will now have to ensure they meet the criteria of each prescribed level, depending on the number of firearms they own.
The levels include:
Level 1- One to five guns should be stored in a good quality approved cabinet.
Level 2- Six to ten guns should be stored in a good quality approved cabinet with quality locks on doors and windows and an alarm system or CCTV system that alerts the owner to a possible breach.
Level 3- 12 or more guns should be stored in multiple cabinets or a gun room, plus good quality doors and windows, monitored by an alarm and CCTV system.
David Macleod, Warrants and Firearms Manager, said: “Firearms that fall into the hands of criminals can be used to cause fear and harm within our communities.
“We need to ensure that we are working together to protect South Yorkshire.
“As well as additional levels of security, we are asking holders to make sure keys to their cabinets are in a secure place and that you don’t advertise that you participate in the hobby of shooting.
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South Yorkshire Police
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Licensed Shotgun and Firearms Holders Increase Security
South Yorkshire Police are encouraging and monitoring licensed shotgun and firearms holders to increase their level of security to ensure guns and weapons do not fall into the hands of criminals.
New regulations are being enforced following burglaries where firearms have been stolen from licensed holders, due to their security having not been sufficient enough to stop thieves.
Before anyone is granted a Shotgun or Firearms Certificate, a thorough inspection is carried out by a Firearms Enquiry Officer to ensure the person applying has the correct security. An interview is also conducted to understand previous contact with the police, family relationships, medical conditions and lifestyle factors. These are all part of the Home Office suitability criteria and essential to protect our communities.
To increase South Yorkshire’s protection, certificate holders will now have to ensure they meet the criteria of each prescribed level, depending on the number of firearms they own.
The levels include:
Level 1- One to five guns should be stored in a good quality approved cabinet.
Level 2- Six to ten guns should be stored in a good quality approved cabinet with quality locks on doors and windows and an alarm system or CCTV system that alerts the owner to a possible breach.
Level 3- 12 or more guns should be stored in multiple cabinets or a gun room, plus good quality doors and windows, monitored by an alarm and CCTV system.
David Macleod, Warrants and Firearms Manager, said: “Firearms that fall into the hands of criminals can be used to cause fear and harm within our communities.
“We need to ensure that we are working together to protect South Yorkshire.
“As well as additional levels of security, we are asking holders to make sure keys to their cabinets are in a secure place and that you don’t advertise that you participate in the hobby of shooting.
Remember. Doesn’t have to be whole house. But I’ve sent the email to SACS.
Waz77
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But a lot of people who have received the letter saying they need level 2 security don't have 6 or more firearms
I don’t. But I’ve not had a letter.
yorksjt
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I received mine yesterday dated 10th August!While it's possible SYP have your records wrong, this might not necessarily be driven by the number or type of firearms, or be universal throughout the area.
There hasn't been much response from other SY FAC holders, which is odd.
There might be only a few like you affected, depending on your Postcode and local crime stats.
The police could be targetting high risk groups, which they can do. They have intelligence too.
Could this be likely in your case?
I think I’m going to down size my collection to 5 as I’ve just had a rewire, new french doors, alarm etc in the last 4 year as part of a renovation and I really can’t be bothered with the hassle and expensive. I haven’t really had chance to look into it all in too much detail as yet though.
This is the case for me unless you include sound mods and authority on my licence to acquire two more.
I’ve forwarded to SACS.
SACS have been known to ring forces before and point out mistakes. However, If 'other' orgs have been advised and agreed as Ladygun suggests then it will be a hard thing to change. I would write to my MP, stating the apparent failure to adopt security as advised by HO? See what he says. Nothing should be allowed to pass unchallenged even after it has apparently been 'agreed'. Please let us know how SACS do.
terrier1
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Ladygun in post 38 says it was the BSSC but not BASC (she is a Council member I believe). BASC is a member of BSSC " but was not initially involved, and presumably was therefore also not consulted - interesting that BSSC acts on behalf of " the Voice of Shooting" without impediment, control but picks up the can for anyone's "failings".
Ladygun also advises in her post that Chief Constables can do what they like - such as a new security document - I disagree but BASC will obviously not be spending any money to test their advice or in support of Yorkshire members. Sadly you must make of this mess what you will apparently since it "was legitimate use of power of the CC to do what he likes", and "cannot be challenged".
I find the explanation given "unusual" and would be offended by it, were I a member.
I have already said as much - page 2 and 3.
Ladygun in post 38 says it was the BSSC but not BASC (she is a Council member I believe). BASC is a member of BSSC " but was not initially involved, and presumably was therefore also not consulted - interesting that BSSC acts on behalf of " the Voice of Shooting" without impediment, control but picks up the can for anyone's "failings".
Ladygun also advises in her post that Chief Constables can do what they like - such as a new security document - I disagree but BASC will obviously not be spending any money to test their advice or in support of Yorkshire members. Sadly you must make of this mess what you will apparently since it "was legitimate use of power of the CC to do what he likes", and "cannot be challenged".
I find the explanation given "unusual" and would be offended by it, were I a member.
I have already said as much - page 2 and 3.
From a friend of a friend who has been working for SYP for a the past 3 years recording crimes. "In all my time I have not been to one report of the theft of a firearm".
Surely a freedom of information request should go in for the stats from the past 5 years and if there is no genuine increase of theft from domestic premises then this flexible approach to the rules should be stamped out.
Surely a freedom of information request should go in for the stats from the past 5 years and if there is no genuine increase of theft from domestic premises then this flexible approach to the rules should be stamped out.
Waz77
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No mate nothing at all
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