Speeding and wrong info = FAC Revocation and Seizure

[Heym SR20]

My take on all of this:

1) police firearms units are all on hair trigger alert after Plymouth. They are, and quite rightly have to be risk adverse.

2) fit and proper person is a loose term used in law and is subjective judgement. So an individual with multiple speeding offences (a clear disregard to the laws of the land and putting others lives in jeopardy in the eyes of many), the allegation of aggression and road rage combined with lack of openess in declaring offences, doesn’t inspire a lot of confidence.

And what we don’t know is whether the speeding offences and road rage where in a city centre with lots of pedestrians about, or out on the A9 st four o’clock in the morning and you went a wee bit over the average speed.

It’s all very subjective, but so too was Plymouth and the police didn’t remove the guns when they should have.

And as for the surrender of Firearms, only firearms officers can attend where firearms are known to be present so it will be armed police that turned up. And no they shouldn’t give a warning. The police are dealing with somebody of not good character and who has an allegation of agression, so it would not be a good idea to give him prior warning.

But the individual concerned has absolutely the right to appeal the Police decision and provide the clear evidence that he is a suitable person to hold firearms. If the police have over reacted then his licence and firearms will be returned.

 

[MAH]

Should I expect a knock on the door!?

Things evolve.
Whilst I'm not 100% certain, I think minor motoring offences were specifically excluded in earlier renewals. (1990s ?).
Again, from memory, the mental health questions have evolved from. " are you" suffering ...... to "have you ever" , and now we have the doctors certificate thingy.

However, think the principles are the same, in that you need to be a good citizen to have a Firearms Licence.

What i think has changed, is how the authorities are measuring a " good citizen "

M

 

[Stalker62]

I can only assume that all those SD members who believe driving at 100MPH should disqualify one from being granted a FAC, must drive a series Landrover.

Perhaps the most inaccurate post of the week.

I drive a Landrover 110.

Anyone who drives above 56 mph is a lunatic and should be sectioned.



PS

I am the bloke in Lane 1, holding you back from you next red light or urgent road rage encounter...

 

[Benelli m2]

Jesus I'm not reading anymore of this stuff on here it's bloody scary and not got much logic anymore carrying on shooting while u can

 

[Highfield]

My take on all of this:

1) police firearms units are all on hair trigger alert after Plymouth. They are, and quite rightly have to be risk adverse.

2) fit and proper person is a loose term used in law and is subjective judgement. So an individual with multiple speeding offences (a clear disregard to the laws of the land and putting others lives in jeopardy in the eyes of many), the allegation of aggression and road rage combined with lack of openess in declaring offences, doesn’t inspire a lot of confidence.

And what we don’t know is whether the speeding offences and road rage where in a city centre with lots of pedestrians about, or out on the A9 st four o’clock in the morning and you went a wee bit over the average speed.

It’s all very subjective, but so too was Plymouth and the police didn’t remove the guns when they should have.

And as for the surrender of Firearms, only firearms officers can attend where firearms are known to be present so it will be armed police that turned up. And no they shouldn’t give a warning. The police are dealing with somebody of not good character and who has an allegation of agression, so it would not be a good idea to give him prior warning.

But the individual concerned has absolutely the right to appeal the Police decision and provide the clear evidence that he is a suitable person to hold firearms. If the police have over reacted then his licence and firearms will be returned.

bang on. i imagine going wineing to the media to get his 15 minuets of fame wont help his case ether.

 

[Klenchblaize]

Perhaps the most inaccurate post of the week.

I drive a Landrover 110.

Anyone who drives above 56 mph is a lunatic and should be sectioned.



PS

I am the bloke in Lane 1, holding you back from you next red light or urgent road rage encounter...

Oh the irony as someone who drives a 110DC and is more likely to encounter road rage as a result doing an oh-so comfortable and relaxed 50 mph on the M20! Lane 1 of 4 I hasten to add.

K

 

[Greenmist]

On the subject of fessing up to everything, are people including arrests? After all its not a conviction and isn't asked for on the form

 

[MAH]

are people including arrests?

That's an interesting one.
I'd like to hear an opinion from an FLO or BASC rep on that one.

 

[Jon P]

On the subject of fessing up to everything, are people including arrests? After all its not a conviction and isn't asked for on the form

I would say No, if you were arrested as part of a police enquiry but not charged with any offence then it is not a conviction so not included.

 

[Stalker62]

On the subject of fessing up to everything, are people including arrests? After all its not a conviction and isn't asked for on the form

No.

Or we would all be unarmed...

 

[sy247]

I can only assume that all those SD members who believe driving at 100MPH should disqualify one from being granted a FAC, must drive a series Landrover.

K

I do!

 

[Reloader708]

I'm reading this thread with trepidation; after nearly 25 years of holding a driving licence I received my first ever speeding ticket last week.
Driving an unfamiliar stretch of road (rural) and I was done 17mph over a 50 limit, category B apparently!
Having no other convictions of any kind I guess I'll find out soon enough if it effects my ability to hold a firearms cert.

 

[Stalker62]

Having no other convictions of any kind I guess I'll find out soon enough if it effects my ability to hold a firearms cert.

It won't.

Provided you declare it.
Provided it is a "one off".

 

[finnbear270]

When filling in renewals forms, Anyone put down none since last renewal in convictions box?

 

[Jon P]

When filling in renewals forms, Anyone put down none since last renewal in convictions box?

Tick the none since last renewal but then right FIO - one speeding offence approx 20 years ago .

 

[mel b3]

My take on all of this:

1) police firearms units are all on hair trigger alert after Plymouth. They are, and quite rightly have to be risk adverse.

2) fit and proper person is a loose term used in law and is subjective judgement. So an individual with multiple speeding offences (a clear disregard to the laws of the land and putting others lives in jeopardy in the eyes of many), the allegation of aggression and road rage combined with lack of openess in declaring offences, doesn’t inspire a lot of confidence.

And what we don’t know is whether the speeding offences and road rage where in a city centre with lots of pedestrians about, or out on the A9 st four o’clock in the morning and you went a wee bit over the average speed.

It’s all very subjective, but so too was Plymouth and the police didn’t remove the guns when they should have.

And as for the surrender of Firearms, only firearms officers can attend where firearms are known to be present so it will be armed police that turned up. And no they shouldn’t give a warning. The police are dealing with somebody of not good character and who has an allegation of agression, so it would not be a good idea to give him prior warning.

But the individual concerned has absolutely the right to appeal the Police decision and provide the clear evidence that he is a suitable person to hold firearms. If the police have over reacted then his licence and firearms will be returned.

Correct on all points.

I had my tickets revoked and my guns taken a few years ago . The police investigated it all, then delivered my guns back to me a few months later , explaining what had gone wrong , and why , and what should have happened.

My firearms department were very polite , professional, and helpful , in every way. However, my local police were a disgrace to their uniform . They did around 3.5k unnecessary damage to my property , stole personal property from me , and I had continued harassment from a female police officer (anti) for around a year afterwards .

 

[NoIDeer]

If someone that has a less than three year prison sentence can be considered for a SGC/FAC, this test has to be more about honesty and integrity and not much to do with the actual offence.

Merry Christmas to you all.

 

[gixer1]

Something i found odd is that Vinny Jones is an avid shooter - which is great, but obviously he was known for being violent on the pitch, told stories about how he intended to commit suicide and his dog stopped him apparently - all things you would think would be red flags for an FEO.

Regards,
Gixer

 

[Stalker62]

Something i found odd is that Vinny Jones is an avid shooter - which is great, but obviously he was known for being violent on the pitch, told stories about how he intended to commit suicide and his dog stopped him apparently - all things you would think would be red flags for an FEO.

He has certainly had his SGC revoked in the past - that is a matter of public knowledge.

There is clearly a route back, if you can show good cause, and have the financial wherewithal to support the appeal process.

He was a regular on a shoot in Hertfordshire. During one of his "banned" years he turned up in the ugliest black and white check shooting suit. He was 'sans' shotgun for the day. He was a delight. I did not warm to his entourage.

I think he is now tea-total. He said that he has lost a lot of friends since becoming so.

"You have not lost a single friend. You have just identified those who weren't".

A man with a less than perfect past, (whose is?) but a real countryman - I like him.

 

[gixer1]

He has certainly had his SGC revoked in the past - that is a matter of public knowledge.

There is clearly a route back, if you can show good cause, and have the financial wherewithal to support the appeal process.

He was a regular on a shoot in Hertfordshire. During one of his "banned" years he turned up in the ugliest black and white check shooting suit. He was 'sans' shotgun for the day. He was a delight. I did not warm to his entourage.

I think he is now tea-total. He said that he has lost a lot of friends since becoming so.

"You have not lost a single friend. You have just identified those who weren't".

A man with a less than perfect past, (whose is?) but a real countryman - I like him.

Absolutely agree, however, knowing someone that had their cert revoked for what would seem much more trivial reasons - it seems much easier for some to get a cert back than others!