Sweden - Gun Laws to be strengthened

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carlisleredneck said:
I think you’ve made a typo there, I don’t think birth control medication has much to do with a 30 year old hand gun ban. Maybe you should have a bit of a rest from the computer.
And there was a shooting with legally held sporting firearms not so long ago, but no ban or tighter restrictions put in place. Maybe the government didn’t think they posed as much of a threat to public safety as easily concealable high rate of fire pistols. Who knows, but there was no knee jerk reaction. Thank goodness 👍
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No I didn't, think of all the rapes it would prevent
 
Stalker62 said:
@Jagare

Don't get me started on the state of litter/fly-tipping in this (UK) country.

Driving up and down the motorways or the local country lanes and it is everywhere. I do not understand why folk do it.
Nor do not know, how we change the culture of an entire country to stop doing it. It makes me ashamed and angry in equal measure.

The older I get, the more annoyed I find myself becoming about it.🤬


Apropos the handgun ban.

I understand why it was done. Something had to be 'seen to be done'.

I carried a handgun for work, and in my own small way, tried to be reasonably proficient with it.
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I would (if I could) love to own and shoot "handguns". I would love a Luger 08 - but it is not going to happen.


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So what to do?

I now regularly shoot with a LBR (looks silly but then so do I)...
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I also use a .44 BP Revolver. More fun than it should be.
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And finally, a .58 Calibre flintlock pistol - which for those that have never experienced firing a flintlock pistol, is perfect for allowing you to develop the most dreadful flinch...😣

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I`ll also have a .44 BP revolver (copy of colt 1860) wich in Sweden with our strict firearm laws you need a license to have and bee a member of a shooting club. Here you also need a firearm license for a new made flintlock pistol.
 
enfieldspares said:
That is more or less 100% correct. I don't agree with the Tory ban in any way but CARLISLEREDNECK is pretty much on the point with his summation.
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Correct this type of terrible tragedy has not occurred since. Being devils advocate here, but how often had this type of tragedy occurred previous to the incident in question? Proportionate response?
Any government, and society, should be looking at any perceived/problem in context and dealing appropriately and proportionally. Unfortunately not the case but why should they let that spoil an opportunity for spin and brownie points.

Interestingly, if a vehicle driver kills a number of people due to their behaviour why is it not termed a mass killing?
 
AlexD said:
You have been out of touch mate. Ingrid Calqvist has been pointing out the tragedy of Absurdistan (formerly known as Sweden), for years.
A good example is:


She is reading a speech she made some years earlier to a shocked parliament. I was looking for the original but it seems lost in the Youtube haystack.

As to your question on "Where the hell has it all gone so very, very wrong within Swedish Society?", she answers that too, and you can see it all around us in the UK. Same thing happening here led to the riots and people being put in prison for thinking out loud. Hopefully, one day we have a government in power who values the same things we valued 60 years ago, but won't hold my breath. Trump has a lot of support because he seems to be that man for the USA. European politicians though are of a more watery disposition, at least at the moment.
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There has been without a doubt a naivety on the part of many of the Swedish people. Things are changing and Sweden is not a favorite destination for non European immigrants any more.
The mistakes of the past are going to take a long time to rectify but hopefully we are at last starting to head in the right direction.
 
Twodogs said:
Correct this type of terrible tragedy has not occurred since. Being devils advocate here, but how often had this type of tragedy occurred previous to the incident in question?
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Also 100% correct. There were actually a couple of such incidents including one in Leicester and, previous, one in Scotland. Maybe three or four shot dead in each. Sabi Nikoloff I remember well. It would lead to the creation of Leicestershire Police's armed response unit. There had even been an idea of reversing a fire tender up to the house to use its water filled rear tanks as cover.

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"Housewife Enid Cabaniuk, policeman Brian Dawson and ambulance driver Terry Wilkinson were all shot dead by the gunman who barricaded himself inside a house. Two more police officers were shot before fire engulfed the house and the gunman jumped from a bedroom window."

It was Colin Greenwood who said after Hungerford that the mindset of the Home Office seemed to be that if particular type of fireram is used once for an outrage and it then gets banned. Alas it does seem to have been the case then and also following Dunblane. That and chuck in under twenty-four inch barrel self loading and pump action shotguns because the chance to do that arose. I guess that the only good thing that came out it was that CO2 powered air pistols were removed from s1 as, under the unamended 1968 Act they had been classed under.

As a kid, pre-1967, both my late grandfather's Webley pistol that he carried in WWI and my (then still alive) father's 9mm Luger that he carried in WWII in preference to an issue .380 revolver were still in the writing bureau in the dining room of the house. Both were surrendered in the 1967 gun amnesty. With hindsight both should have been asked to be retained as "trophies of war" on the FAC that my mother had for her own s1 rifle.
 
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Foxyboy43 said:
As one would likely expect after this appalling tragedy Sweden is to review firearm legislation which will no doubt place stricter controls on firearms ownership. Much of this could have been predicted especially when politicians must be seen to be doing something…
Sweden plans tighter gun laws after deadly school shooting Sweden plans tighter gun laws after Orebro school shooting
I note from the article that semi-auto rifles are still legal in Sweden and surprisingly in some cases fully automatic ownership is permitted. As is the tradition by now “black rifles” i.e, so-called “Assault Rifles” e.g. M16s etc. are being used as an example - much like in the USA where for some time similar shootings have been carried out with these (and other) firearms.
As a long-time owner of an assortment of firearms and a defender of the right to own them I still, in all honesty, cannot see how ownership of a semi-auto centrefire rifle is justified or in truth a defendable position to take - I may be missing something but I know not what. What is the SD membership’s view?
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I wouldn’t disagree with you regarding assault rifles. Semi automatic and 20 or 30 round detachable magazines means a lot of damage can be done in a very short space of time. It’s why they are used as military weapons.

Semi auto rifles on civilian ranges - yes I get its fun to send lots of rounds down quickly. But realistically with the price these days of ammo, are really go to let off £50 in a matter of a couple of minutes.

We do have semi automatic rimfires which work very well on the above.

Pistols. Again I can see why high capacity semi auto not being allowed. But target shooting revolvers, or limited capacity semi automatics and 22 rimfires such as used in olympic disciplines should be.

But as always it does come down to the individuals behind the guns that really counts.

I suppose the argument of approved rifle clubs does give a good oversight, especially in the use of say semi automatic rifles. But how well do club officials really know their members.

However, given the state of world affairs, perhaps we should as a nation start to think about building up a base of rifle skills again and having rifle clubs with military type rifles to build up the skills, but with the rifles being kept in armouries.
 
carlisleredneck said:
We had legally held handguns.
Somebody who legally held handguns shot up a primary school.
We banned legally held handguns.
It’s never happened again.
Handguns were not used for hunting (excluding human dispatch) or defence purposes in this country, they were for target hobby use only.
Derek bird used a shotgun and rifle to shoot 13 ( I think) people, these weren’t banned because they are of practical use.
Maybe gangsters who only tend to use guns against each other are less of a problem than middle aged white men with a Rambo complex? Just a thought.
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You're absolutely right the government failed severely in not banning shotguns and rimfires after Derek bird
 
carlisleredneck said:
Could have, but didn’t, He used firearms, as they all did. I am not in favour of any further restrictions on firearm ownership. The pistols and semi autos were banned years ago, and the aren’t coming back.
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Pump-action centrefire rifles were banned at the same time.
 
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