The real test !

[Thar]

Well done Lee, tracking a potentially suffering animal should take precedent over any other legislation that has been broken. This is recognised in Scotland in statute, not so sure in England, but there can be no argument that it is in the publics benefit to bring any case.

You did the right thing, sorry are you sure it wasn’t a 222 he shot it with?

ATB

Tahr

 

[User00014]

I'm afraid to say in my opinion this SD deer dog register will fail if handlers worry about the law.

I for one will track any deer I'm called out to regardless how it has been shot and wounder/killed !

I put my name on the register to help other stalkers in need , as there was once at time I didnt have have a dog , and I know exactly what it feels like to loose one!

 

[Kit]

The real test

Congrats on the find and having the courage of your convictions.
BUT
I think that you are an accessory after the fact,which is not good.
Report him to safeguard yourself and your ticket especially now this incident is in the public domain.
If he loses his ticket, tough! he doesn't deserve the right to stalk.
www.muntjactrading.co.uk

 

[User00014]

Congrats on the find and having the courage of your convictions.
BUT
I think that you are an accessory after the fact,which is not good.
Report him to safeguard yourself and your ticket especially now this incident is in the public domain.
If he loses his ticket, tough! he doesn't deserve the right to stalk.
www.muntjactrading.co.uk

well i think its as simple as this gentlemen , its the guys word against mine ,he could say i was mistaken and he shot it with his .243 !
when i turned up to track the animal he had his 243 with him , there is no carcass to do do ballistic tests on , and for all i know he could have lobbed it in a ditch or put it in his freezer .

i was called to track a wounded and lost beast , to which i did with success . i wish i had not bothered posting about this now and from now on the tracking ability of my dog will strictly stay between myself and close friends !

THREAD CLOSED !

 

[bartzkingx]

Although THREAD CLOSED...

I'm a Military Police Officer so I'd just like to add my bit that leec6.5 hasn't committed an offence. The police couldn't give a toss what happens after the commission of an offence unless it results in a further offence, which it hasn't. If leec6.5 had taken the carcass or any part of, or helped to hide the carcass knowing that this animal was shot illegally then this is a different matter.

The guy that shot the muntjac committed the offence and by leec6.5 searching for the animal does not put him under any legal liability whatsoever.

 

[yellow belly]

Thats a shame lee6.5, i really enjoyed reading about how your and your dog got on tracking the muntjac!
MY opinion is that you did the right thing in following up the deer reguardless if it was not a legal shot, im sure others will agree.

Its a bad day when you have to think twice about posting in the fear of people reading too much into an act of kindness you did for the deers sake.

Harry

 

[bartzkingx]

I was just merely trying to dispel any myths that could arise. I fully appreciate and commend leec6.5 for his efforts and I definitely think he did the right thing, regardless of what the law says.

Tom

 

[Chris Stephens]

Completely agree with yellow belly and bartzkingx great to hear about your dog nothing better than a seemingly impossible find great work lee no matter what I would do the same.

Chris

 

[stone]

Although THREAD CLOSED...

I'm a Military Police Officer so I'd just like to add my bit that leec6.5 hasn't committed an offence. The police couldn't give a toss what happens after the commission of an offence unless it results in a further offence, which it hasn't. If leec6.5 had taken the carcass or any part of, or helped to hide the carcass knowing that this animal was shot illegally then this is a different matter.

The guy that shot the muntjac committed the offence and by leec6.5 searching for the animal does not put him under any legal liability whatsoever.

Thank you bartzkingx and Gazza on your input
I only asked the question as I hav been put in the same position in the past and was told a different story
so was interested in if any one could give a definitive, so I would not fall fowl of any offence in the future
It seems I was okay to help some one find an illegally taken deer

As for you Lee
I'm a little surprised you feel so offended when no one has tried to to offend you
this thread not only has highligted a grey area in the dog tracking side ,
but it also shows how a trained dog is capable of tracking a lost beast 36 hours later even with a few rain showers thrown in for good measure
so a bloody good find regardless of the situ
as some people may not bother because they think it may not be worth it or the meat will be fecked anyway
Me, I like to look just to make sure
I recently had to go look for a neck shot munty (.243) , it was about 24 hrs later when I got to the shot site
a lot of dried blood that went for 40-50 yards, then nothing
I found the deer another 60 yards on approx still alive , but was accounted for
I do hope you still post a few finds you hav in the future as it is always good to see how other members dogs are getting on
best wishes

 

[Jagare]

When called out to track a wounded deer you should not say, write anything about the track to anybody. There shoud be the strictest confidence between you and the person for who you are tracking for.
How else will you get people to trust you and call you out if there is a chance there deads are shouted ,writen about.

 

[RoeHunter]

When called out to track a wounded deer you should not say, write anything about the track to anybody. There shoud be the strictest confidence between you and the person for who you are tracking for.
How else will you get people to trust you and call you out if there is a chance there deads are shouted ,writen about.

Jagare, I agree fully with what you have said above. The main aim is to find an animal which maybe injured and suffering somewhere.

 

[AndrewT059]

glad you found it,

 

[User00014]

When called out to track a wounded deer you should not say, write anything about the track to anybody. There shoud be the strictest confidence between you and the person for who you are tracking for.
How else will you get people to trust you and call you out if there is a chance there deads are shouted ,writen about.

dont you worry lesson learned !

 

[barongcw]

When called out to track a wounded deer you should not say, write anything about the track to anybody. There shoud be the strictest confidence between you and the person for who you are tracking for.
How else will you get people to trust you and call you out if there is a chance there deads are shouted ,writen about.

Disagree with Jagare. The continental press is full of tracking stories. Providing you hide such facts that even your friends cannot find out where or with whom it happens I see no harm.

After all this story produced useful facts about when one is an assessory and when not.

 

[stone]

Disagree with Jagare. The continental press is full of tracking stories. Providing you hide such facts that even your friends cannot find out where or with whom it happens I see no harm.

After all this story produced useful facts about when one is an assessory and when not.

Is that you george??

 

[barongcw]

Mais bien sur

 

[Jagare]

Hej George, Welcome to the site.
If you track a Rta then i see no reason not to write about it. If called out by a stalker who has a wounded deer to find, and wounded deer don't just happen by bad shooting many other things can come into the equation. Then this should be done in the strictest confidence. There are plenty of Holier than thow on this site who want to start a witch hunt as soon as a little impropriety is mentioned. We need more stalkers to call on the services of those with tracking dogs in times of need and not scare them off if they think a name and shame campaign will start.

Is your Hanovarian from Belgium? Look forward to seeing it next time we meet. I've put in my order for a Bmh pup for next year.

 

[barongcw]

Totally agree with avoiding a name and shame campaign. But a story with practical tips is always welcome. Writers will have to do a little editing to avoid places and individuals being recognised.
Hound in the picture is from Hungary and spent its rabies time in Germany. Other hound also from Hungary and she went to Belgium. Brilliant trainer there.
Take it you have read elsewhere on this site that from next year one can import a pup 3 weeks after the rabies injection ie at about 4 months. That will take a lot of bother away.
I'll be at the Game Fair on Friday if you are coming over.

 

[Jagare]

Unfortunately Can't make the Gamefair this year. I read about the change of rules concerning the pets passport a while ago here in Sweden. The powers that be are not over enthusiastic about the change. It will make sending dogs from Sweden to the UK a lot easier and less expensive. I'm hoping to get a pup from Rudi and import another Kopov from Slovakia next year. So a lot of training in the future.