Torque wrench for scope
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I got to spray the chest feathers of linnets with cold tea as a wee lad but I didn’t declare it when applying for my FAC!
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paul o'
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Another SD hunt for red October 
When I started building engines and I mean real ones you had x inch ft pounds in the data book then it would say plus 1/4-1/2 turn! for some it would mean a 6ft poll and a foot on the block to pull it round? When I started fitting scopes 70'-80's we never had the equipment to hand and cheap as today you felt it pinch then you added a thumb pinch and not one did I crush, now fast forward to now some still can feel if its tight and some need a Torque driver there choice and Who gives a feck anyway what method you use its a choice is it not ! more scopes are damaged due to I'll fitting rings or not understanding how to use the fig 8 rule like head bolts even to the point that some scope rings like Warne are prone to pinch so will Leopold saddle type if you get it wrong . When fitting rings I lock them up and measure the ID of the rings in compression and then OD of my new expensive z6i or V8 !. when selling my used expensive scopes the buyers have ever told me the way I have fitted the scope has resulted in them buying a damaged tube.
Upshot tight plus a thumb or Fat wrench it's the operator i.e., the driver of the tool that damages the tube not the tool used.
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No scopes were crushed or scratched while giving my 2P worth
When I started building engines and I mean real ones you had x inch ft pounds in the data book then it would say plus 1/4-1/2 turn! for some it would mean a 6ft poll and a foot on the block to pull it round? When I started fitting scopes 70'-80's we never had the equipment to hand and cheap as today you felt it pinch then you added a thumb pinch and not one did I crush, now fast forward to now some still can feel if its tight and some need a Torque driver there choice and Who gives a feck anyway what method you use its a choice is it not ! more scopes are damaged due to I'll fitting rings or not understanding how to use the fig 8 rule like head bolts even to the point that some scope rings like Warne are prone to pinch so will Leopold saddle type if you get it wrong . When fitting rings I lock them up and measure the ID of the rings in compression and then OD of my new expensive z6i or V8 !. when selling my used expensive scopes the buyers have ever told me the way I have fitted the scope has resulted in them buying a damaged tube.
Upshot tight plus a thumb or Fat wrench it's the operator i.e., the driver of the tool that damages the tube not the tool used.
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No scopes were crushed or scratched while giving my 2P worth
I learnt valve clearance's and lapping valves from the age of 12/13 as Dad use to make and tune 350/500 JAP engines running on dope around 12-1 compression out in the sheds at the back of the house. The frames were made here all except the wheels and seats. The bikes were Finn Grass track bikes with Alf Hagon being Dads biggest competitor so I learnt from a young age thank you very much... He was a builder so knocking up a gauge of muck and running it to him in a wheel barrow doing extensions was second nature...
That bike is hand built and still in the shed, Dad is gone but what I learnt from him is still there, the other person in the picture is Tony Steggles
SO IF I DON'T WANT TO USE A TOURE WRENCH I WON'T SO CRACK ON.
Few people have your experience, and with the cost of scopes these days, it's only common sense for the less experienced to use a torque wrench, not only for over tightening, and crimping the tube, but also under tightening, and having the scope go for a walk, especially with heavy recoiling rifles, and, or big heavy scopes !
A wrench is by far the cheaper option !
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I complete agree, the thing is if you have an opinion also happy to take on something you should be free to do that..
Sometimes
You don't need a torque wrench to tighten scope rings, but it is a bit of insurance when cranking down on a $5k scope, that you won't damage the tube. Or you don't tighten enough, and when the temperature drops, your scopes starts shifting in the pic rail under recoil (AMHIK). Doesn't shift a lot, but it's enough to miss targets at long range (.5 mil vertical was what I saw on an AI with ARC M-10 rings). In fact, my avatar picture is from that match where I learned the value of torquing rings into place, and knowing that they were within spec.
That being said, a torque wrench is good to have for action screws, if you are wanting to RTZ after taking it in and out of the pillar bedded stock or chassis. Is it absolutely necessary? No. But neither are turn signals or brake lights on a car to make it driveable. <shrug> At some point, it's just prudence, not requirement.
Oh, and fix-it-stiks for me, with the torque limiters. I've had them since they were sold as a compact bicycle tool kit.
That being said, a torque wrench is good to have for action screws, if you are wanting to RTZ after taking it in and out of the pillar bedded stock or chassis. Is it absolutely necessary? No. But neither are turn signals or brake lights on a car to make it driveable. <shrug> At some point, it's just prudence, not requirement.
Oh, and fix-it-stiks for me, with the torque limiters. I've had them since they were sold as a compact bicycle tool kit.
Too many people base their comments, on their own preference, or abilities, with no idea of what would best suit the questioner, only themselves !
You're entitled to tell people you don't need to use a torque wrench, based on your experience, they're entitled to tell you they do, based on theirs !
And if I want to watch you torque your screws up, though a 25x mag scope, I don't need someone to tell me I only need a 12x mag scope, because that's what suits them
(sorry, pet hate !)
The Optimist
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IMHO and based on personal experience, Wera manufactures excellent torque wrenches suitable for this particular job. Other brands are available and as said above it is often a matter of personal preference.
marksman #1
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l use the wheeler inch pound torque wrench myself but must say if you take it easy you can feel between gorilla grip, tight and snug as well as an even tighten down
these torque wrenches have become popular and are a must have by the salesman these days although back in the older days we were more worried about having ammo and getting out to use the rifle, those were the days when we used oil to clean our bores and 100y was a long shot way out
these torque wrenches have become popular and are a must have by the salesman these days although back in the older days we were more worried about having ammo and getting out to use the rifle, those were the days when we used oil to clean our bores and 100y was a long shot way out
Sjambok
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Posts like this explain your 10 000 plus posts.This is why people join SD as their life experience's have to be expanded by asking strangers questions......
The more posts I read makes me wonder how people get through their day...
Most of yours of late are in the for sale section...
https://www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk/find-threads/started
?Most of yours of late are in the for sale section...
https://www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk/find-threads/started
So from this thread I have gleaned, that some use a torque tool, others use a 1/4 turn plus a 6ft pole to pull up their screws, others just use “judgement“. All of which is acceptable.
But from an engineering perspective, where does one find the recommended torques for different sizes used on such things a magic 17inch/lbs or what ever seems a bit generic, when different thread diameters are used. Non of my supplier info quotes specific numbers.
In heavy engineering where it used to be flogging spanners and hammers you just use the bolt size and spec, and tables of torques are available, but lubricants used can make a huge difference to the required torque.
Are these fiddly little screws that old folk like me struggle to see if dropped really such a dark art?
But from an engineering perspective, where does one find the recommended torques for different sizes used on such things a magic 17inch/lbs or what ever seems a bit generic, when different thread diameters are used. Non of my supplier info quotes specific numbers.
In heavy engineering where it used to be flogging spanners and hammers you just use the bolt size and spec, and tables of torques are available, but lubricants used can make a huge difference to the required torque.
Are these fiddly little screws that old folk like me struggle to see if dropped really such a dark art?
Again I completely agree, Z6 2.5-15x56 Kahles 3-12x56 both unmarked..Too many people base their comments, on their own preference, or abilities, with no idea of what would best suit the questioner, only themselves !
You're entitled to tell people you don't need to use a torque wrench, based on your experience, they're entitled to tell you they do, based on theirs !
And if I want to watch you torque your screws up, though a 25x mag scope, I don't need someone to tell me I only need a 12x mag scope, because that's what suits them
It is all fine people taking swipes the last one being their is a reason I have 10k of posts, however I give my reasons based on what I have learnt over many years from a lot of highly skilled people and was set on that path with the want for knowledge from a young age...
I make things for people on SD FOC as I like to also because I can the last one was a modified high seat for Fishboy (Russ)
who brought one with it not being how he expected. It took me 5mins to re configure it then an hour in the workshop with the grinder and welder..,otherwise it would have gone in the bin.
@Fox Tales Mark asked me if I could get a signed copy of my good friend Robert Bucknels book also one for Tom
Had a chat with Robert and he very kindly sent them both FOC as they are keen foxers
Mark insisted some payment so Robert asked for some money to go in the Ukraine Kids war fund.
@Pellet Pinger Emailed me asking for advice on how to open up his FAC, I read his full A4 reason re wrote it to 2 medium sentences with him saying they won't open it up with that..2 weeks later through the door is an open FAC..
I don't have to reply or post anything but like yourself taken out trade membership as I have a small product to sell where the under the radar sales take more than advantage.
Anyone else clicked on Tim's linky?
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