Trail Hunting

[jimmy milnes]

It truly pains me to say hunts don't help themselves with the antics they get up to.
Point being one instance.
My very good friend farms some land and his cousin has liveries on it also, because of the liveries they invested a substantial sum creating a gallops of approximately 1 mile in length.
Boxing day meet several years ago the hunt asked prior permission to come up the gallops in order get to another section to be drawn that day.
Not a problem they were told but please only walk the field up them as with all the recent rain it'll chew it to bits otherwise.
Hunt came and allowed the field to gallop up the area doing in excess of 3k of damage in rolling and seeding.
Point being they sometimes just do as they please rather than as asked.

 

[cjm1066]

Perhaps we should lay a trail in Hyde Park on a Sunday afternoon, scope for a lot of fun and huge numbers of dogs following it.

Might keep the Police busy.

 

[Klenchblaize]

Be far simpler to ban the riding to hounds in class-drenched red coats.

K

 

[opticron1]

I just find it sad that the Labour Party feel that this is an important subject to even discuss at the present time when there are so many .....err...greater challenges to be faced up to. Typical of the sort of pointless drivel that Blair tried and latterly admitted that he was wrong about ie Fox Hunting with hounds. I can see Starmer and his collection of idiots rapidly losing any support and looking for jobs outwith Westminster sooner rather than later.
Whether you agree with Trail hunting or not, or any other type of shooting, hunting or fishing, the loss of this sport on spurious grounds will just give the lunatic fringe even more confidence.....

 

[rookyshot]

How common is the trial hunting law being abused by hunts who actually just hunt as normal??

U see these sab group f#ckwits popping up on faceache.
And there nutty followers.
Hunts never doing anything wrong.
Infact u rarely hear the hounds singing.
So cant be on a trail either.

Even when a fox shows up on camera, sabs go wild but hounds are nowhere near and not in voice on its line.
They claim its being hunted but it never looks like it.
But by the laws of averages ur bound to trip over a flush a fox sometime


Its a bit like raptor persecution if u believed half wot they said u'd think it was common place which is simply not the case at all.

Ive never been involved with hounds down south, althou have shot for some english gun packs that used yo come north off the border before the recent ban here

Trail hunting is totally abused in my area. There is not even the slightest effort to lay a trail. The hunt is just cracking on as if there was never any change in the law. Any ban to trail hunting is the result of behaviour like this. To preserve the remaining field sports we have we all need to operate a bit smarter and be aware the world is watching with a very critical eye.

 

[Nickb]

How common is the trial hunting law being abused by hunts who actually just hunt as normal??

Every week .

It's just a loophole that will be filled.

 

[enfieldspares]

Perhaps we should lay a trail in Hyde Park on a Sunday afternoon, scope for a lot of fun and huge numbers of dogs following it.

Might keep the Police busy.

Interestingly back in the olden days when being a Labour MP was also for openly "posh toffs" rather than those that now keep that truth in the closet the near local MP a Dr John Cronin was one of few deemed able enough to exercise the Household Cavalry horses on Rotten Row. A proper politician, in it for what he thought was doing good, not the careerist likes of many of today's ex-schoolboy, then ex-undergraduate, then MP types.

John Cronin (British politician) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[palmer_mike]

I believe that the ban will be laying trails with animal scents so that includes cleaves - please explain how I shouldn't be worried,
thanks

Believe what you like, is there an official draft of what’s being proposed?

 

[Rake Aboot]

Trail hunting is totally abused in my area. There is not even the slightest effort to lay a trail. The hunt is just cracking on as if there was never any change in the law. Any ban to trail hunting is the result of behaviour like this. To preserve the remaining field sports we have we all need to operate a bit smarter and be aware the world is watching with a very critical eye.

Good for them. Pity all hints don’t just stick two fingers up to the stupid law

 

[Sinistral]

Believe what you like, is there an official draft of what’s being proposed?

No sign as yet, but this is a manifesto commitment repeated only a day ago. It's only a question of finding time in a crowded calendar.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2024-12-19/debates/7D6A1F84-9D2E-4200-8A86-CE8C6AAD3ED6/HuntingTrophyImportBan

 

[HallyButt]

Another attack on the countryside, the only people who will be impacted are the people who are employed around field sports, the participants will just nip overseas to more grown up jurisdictions, same will happen with driven shooting, lots of money going into atlas area of Morocco.

 

[shakey jake]

Hunts could just buy an eagle and carry on hunting legally

 

[Taff]

I see the usual anti hunt people are here again, there is no need to control foxes at all is the opinion of the league against cruel sports, because nature will find its own level,this was also the opinion of the FC in the new forest during the 90s.
Banning hunting was not about foxes with labour but the politics of envy, a perceived idea that only rich people hunt, along with pheasant shooting and deer stalking.
You had better all start telling your children, to take up golf (but only on the play station) due to the cruelty to grass.

 

[SikaSeeker]

Hello, This has always been Labour, Did not Blair ban Fox Hunting, I see the Right to Roamers want every Footpath/ Bridleway open, It would pay to check any Land Permission you have just in case there a long lost Public footpaths etc, I am sure a lot of Land Owners/ Farmers will find this a problem, on my friends farm they have lost footpaths right through some fields although never ever used

You’re wrong, it was his wife.

 

[Flash G 74]

You’re wrong, it was his wife.

Hello, Ah forgot to add it was Cherie Blair

 

[wanderer]

There's a law to ban the use of mobile phones in vehicles.
It hasnt worked.
Lets ban mobile phones ( or vehicles) or both to be on the safe side.

 

[Rake Aboot]

Good for them. Pity all hints don’t just stick two fingers up to the stupid law

Hunts obviously, I was 4 pints in, but the sentiment stands. I’m beginning to think that civil unrest is the only thing these arseholes will pay attention to.

 

[Nickb]

Hunts obviously, I was 4 pints in, but the sentiment stands. I’m beginning to think that civil unrest is the only thing these arseholes will pay attention to.

Doesn't work either , Starmer will just jail you for a couple of years.

 

[Rake Aboot]

Doesn't work either , Starmer will just jail you for a couple of years.

Ahem!!!,,,,

When saying ‘policing by consent’, the Home Secretary was referring to a long standing philosophy of British policing, known as the Robert Peel’s 9 Principles of Policing. However, there is no evidence of any link to Robert Peel and it was likely devised by the first Commissioners of Police of the Metropolis (Charles Rowan and Richard Mayne). The principles which were set out in the ‘General Instructions’ that were issued to every new police officer from 1829 were:

1. To prevent crime and disorder, as an alternative to their repression by military force and severity of legal punishment.
2. To recognise always that the power of the police to fulfil their functions and duties is dependent on public approval of their existence, actions and behaviour and on their ability to secure and maintain public respect.
3. To recognise always that to secure and maintain the respect and approval of the public means also the securing of the willing co-operation of the public in the task of securing observance of laws.
4. To recognise always that the extent to which the co-operation of the public can be secured diminishes proportionately the necessity of the use of physical force and compulsion for achieving police objectives.
5. To seek and preserve public favour, not by pandering to public opinion; but by constantly demonstrating absolutely impartial service to law, in complete independence of policy, and without regard to the justice or injustice of the substance of individual laws, by ready offering of individual service and friendship to all members of the public without regard to their wealth or social standing, by ready exercise of courtesy and friendly good humour; and by ready offering of individual sacrifice in protecting and preserving life.
6. To use physical force only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient to obtain public co-operation to an extent necessary to secure observance of law or to restore order, and to use only the minimum degree of physical force which is necessary on any particular occasion for achieving a police objective.
7. To maintain at all times a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and that the public are the police, the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.
8. To recognise always the need for strict adherence to police-executive functions, and to refrain from even seeming to usurp the powers of the judiciary of avenging individuals or the State, and of authoritatively judging guilt and punishing the guilty.
9. To recognise always that the test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, and not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with them.

Essentially, as explained by the notable police historian Charles Reith in his ‘New Study of Police History ‘in 1956, it was a philosophy of policing ‘unique in history and throughout the world because it derived not from fear but almost exclusively from public co-operation with the police, induced by them designedly by behaviour which secures and maintains for them the approval, respect and affection of the public’.



Just saying likes. Seems to have been completely forgotten about

 

[Nimrod1960]

The announcement by the Government of their Animal Welfare Strategy for England, which included their commitment to ban trail hunting, seems to have caught some in the hunting community by surprise, despite the fact that a ban on trail hunting was a Labour election manifesto commitment

The strategy paper, all 48 pages, offers a more strategic approach rather than piecemeal legislation, which presumably means an all-encompassing Bill to go before Parliament.

It will affect farming, shooting and fishing, equestrian centres, as well as dog and cat owners and the veterinary profession.

That means that consultation on the many issues raised in the Strategy document, as well as the drafting of any proposed legislation, will take some time.

The details on trail hunting include a proposal for a ban on animal-based scents and the lifting and dropping of the trail. The strategy paper includes many proposals apart from a ban on trail hunting !

Included is the end of the use of snare traps, proposals on puppy smuggling and puppy farming, options for reform of veterinary practices affecting the keeping of over 10 million dogs and 10 million cats in the UK, and consultation on the use of electric shock collars.

In addition, consultations are proposed on domestic rescue and rehoming, and training for responsible dog ownership; a review of the licensing regime for horses in riding establishments; and a proposed closed season for hares, with possible actions affecting rules for pigs, hens and lambs.

Plans are presented for the humane slaughter of farmed fish so that they avoid pain, distress or suffering. Pressure in Parliament will be out to widen the scope to include sport fishing such as fly fishing, spinning and bait fishing. Also included is the review of guidance on killing decapods — lobsters and crabs.

Nothing about slaughtering un-stunned large mammals by cutting the throat whilst suspended and clearly in terror. ie Halal and Kosher.

Included is the consideration of the existing protections for gamebirds that are bred and reared under controlled conditions for release for sport shooting, together with birds caught up for breeding purposes.

The paper states that DEFRA wishes to improve its understanding of how gamebirds are reared in the gamebird sector through issuing a call for evidence — the first step to a licensing system being imposed on shooting.

The Strategy document is dangerous to all field sports but is a muddle and a mess. It will bring us all in field sports together to fight unfair and unjust legislation.