Training for complete beginner

Kimura84

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I am looking to get started in stalking and looking for training to learn the basic practical skills. I will be looking to get DSC1, sure, but my goal is to eventually to get to a point where I can stalk and hunt unaccompanied in my home country where I have access to public land. I have previous shooting experience and basic training in firearms. I am a complete beginner in all things stalking, butchering etc.

I was looking at Moray Outfitting/Frontier Bushcraft for their 6-day course as well as Woodmills Shooting for their 4-day beginners course, both in Scotland. I also found NGO's 4-day DSC1 courses which are a lot closer to where I am based.

I am hoping to treat this as an opportunity to get away for a few days, enjoy myself and learns the ropes. Any comments on the courses above would be much appreciated or if there are any others I should consider?

Thanks!
 
Firstly welcome to the SD.

The DSC 1 is a good course to start with. However before investing in this why not talk to a local provider who offers stalking and talk through your requirements with them and even book a stalk with them to see if its for you.
@sikamalc would be a good person to contact and is reasonably close to you.
Or if you fancy a trip away for a few days try @IanF training and accommodation.
 
I've booked the DSC1 with moray outfitters for end of April. Really pleased with communication with them, learning material arrived quickly. The course is 1to1 over 2 days too , which is ideal for me.
I'm looking for shooting opportunities near me to get more practice in before I go up. Also joined a local rifle club .
 
Key skills needed

1) patience - easily practiced - just get out into wilder areas and move slowly and watch lots. You will find after a while as your eyes and ears get attuned you will see all sorts of animals and birds. If you are not seeing things or more hearing you are making too much noise. Learn to walk quietly and smoothly. Don’t thump you feet, but roll your feet.

And get the patience to study the small things - the prints on the ground, bent grass, rubbing on sticks etc.

Most deer are found by a flicking ear or a turn of an antler.

And learn to do this with naked eye first before starting to use binoculars.

2) following on from above you need to get really good at identifying deer, and what is in season, out of season, old, young etc.

3) a really good understanding of deer anatomy and in particular position of heart and lungs. Plenty of good pictures but you need to bring this into three dimensions. The family dog is very helpful and try to understand how a bullet will go through the vital organs etc.

4) shooting. Get yourself an air rifle and learn to shoot it well. A simple break barrel is more than adequate and you can shoot it lots and lots for pennies with (Scotland no quite so much) minimal paperwork etc. Joining a rifle club is good, but shooting a rifle on a range is not the same as in the field. Skills with an air rifle transfer to a proper rifle.

5) safety. 4 simple rules

1) all guns are always loaded. Even if empty they are loaded. - Simple. No ifs no buts, they are loaded.

2) never point a gun at anything you do not want to destroy. - again very simple - if the gun goes off it destroys what is in line with the barrel. If you can’t see the muzzle - how can you control where it is pointing?

3) always clearly identify your target AND what is behind the target. Follows on from point 2. A rifle bullet will go through a 1 foot thick plank of wood, and will go five miles.

4) only put your finger on trigger when sights are aligned with target and you are certain of what is behind the target.

And knives are sharp and cut easily, and deer, especially reds are big and heavy, and you are in wild places on broken and steep ground on your own or just one or two others. You don’t need to be very far away, but a simple slip, break of a leg, bad weather etc.

6) learn to think ahead and plan well. A lot happens when stalking and buck fever takes over leading to very poor decisions. Planning and reconnaissance (especially using Maps, google earth etc) is seldom waisted. Indeed just taking five minutes and looking at a landscape and working out routes, backstops, extractions etc is seldom waisted.

7) sense of humour and optimism - get enjoyment and pleasure from the small things. Stalking is not about killing deer. Its about selecting a specific animal and taking it in an ethical and sustainable manner. Squeezing the trigger is just one point on the journey.

8) and learn to butcher and cook. Nothing gives greater pleasure than serving up venison steaks or a venison biryani to your friends and family that has your involvement from the initial deer management to the plate and then to your morning constitutional the following day.
 
Can't comment on those specific courses but did a one day taster day with Moray Outfitting a decade ago. A huge amount of knowledge squeezed into the day in a very relaxed way. I did my DSC1 with them the same year and you couldn't wish for a better experience. I believe it's the same individuals run the show so you shouldn't go wrong.
 
Hi,

Given where you are located I would have a chat with @sikamalc he isn't far from you and does really good stalks and really knows his stuff. I went out with him a few months back and had a fantastic 2 stalks with him and his colleague. He might be able to assist you with getting started.

I am fairly new to it all, I enjoyed the Pre DSC1 I did with BASC and then did my DSC1 with them. I am also doing a butchering course and I know there are a few people offering butchering courses in Essex I think it was - see the training pages.
 
Or maybe he dosnt feel the need to sit on here 24/7 .Just a thought .
He may be sorted elsewhere and just forgot to amend .So cynical chaps .
You only get out what you put in....
I used to get small brick work jobs and Dad would run them out dry for me at home so I got the bond right as these were weekend work so I could earn a few more quid...if you want it bad enough you will chase it. just saying lol
 
Agreed Tim but read my second sentence .
Does someone have to explain themselves on here to the masses or can a normal life resume without doing so 😀😀
And just to collate nothing to do with me either way just the assumption .
 
Hi all, thanks for all the pointers and I will be following up separately with sikamalc and IanF.

This forum is blocked in my office so I can only access it when I am working from home. Not that I am not interested in it! Would be great not to have family or work commitments and to focus on my hobbies all day everyday :)
 
I would give a +1 for Woodmill Shooting in Fife. Steven is a good man to deal with and you will learn a lot on a course with him. The accommodation, equipment and experience he provides is first class.

Hope that helps.

Tom
 
My works thing did same mate .Got the one in charge of coms to allow it access which she did .Not a shared comp mind .
 
I was in this position a year ago DSC1 will teach you plenty but I think you will get the most out of it if you have been out with a stalker once or twice first. You have had some offers on this front. Take them up if you can! If you don't have much experience with a rifle then practice is worth putting a bit of time into separately from stalking. Many here will presume a level of experience with a 22 or air rifle which you may or may not have. If not, do your confidence a favour and put a couple of hundred rounds into some paper early on. it will change how you think about shooting when you are actually in a position to take a deer. You owe it to the deer to make your best job of that part. I have done well with a gun club who accommodate quad sticks on their range.
If I were to offer one piece of advice, it would be to put your fac application in asap if you don't have it already as almost everything else is easier once you have it. A booking for dsc1 and a couple of paid stalks should be good enough reason for a deer rifle. Worst case the police will want to see evidence of completion rather than intention so you will have to wait (which is different from an outright refusal!) but OTOH there could be some bureaucratic delays outside of your control which will be super tedious if they create a delay after you feel otherwise ready.
I doubt you NEED to go to Scotland for this btw. There are all sorts of dsc1 providers, including some who will pretty much run a custom course for you.
Feel free to pm if you have any other questions.
 
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