wabbit warren
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silly question but why english? i have a lovely s/s straight stock made by Grulla thats a match for most of the english guns
have a look at there web site
have a look at there web site
Which shotgun made in England should I choose?
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Webley & Scott from 1957.
2 3/4 chamber.
LOP is 15"
Price: 20000,- NOK
For sale in Norway.
2 3/4 chamber.
LOP is 15"
Price: 20000,- NOK
For sale in Norway.
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Not a silly question at all.
.Old english classic style.
Immortal.
Elegant.
Timeless.
That's what it is for me...
Heym SR20
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From the photos that looks pretty clean to me. There don’t look to be many marks on the breech face etc.
Three checks to make.
1) put the gun together, but remove the foreend. Give the gun a shake. You should not be able to feel any movement in the barrel.
2) hang the barrels by the hook on your finger and give them a ring with a piece of wood. They should ring nice and clear.
3) look at the proof marks. They will tell you the original bore dimensions at original proof. Usually marked as 12 in a diamond, or 12/1 - see article below. If you can get them measured you will see whether or not the bores have been polished out. Also have barrel wall thicknesses checked. You really want more than 20 thou, ideally about 25 thou. Some barrels were built very thin. Wall thickness is like the mileage on a car. Thicker walls means you can repair the barrels, or clean them up if the pitted or rusty. Thin walls don’t give you that option.
bore size proof marks
The stamps on British guns showing the original bore size are very important factors in determining whether the gun is still in proof. If the current bore size is within ten thousandths of an inch (10 thou’) of the last size stamped, it is still in proof. The 1984 -1989 rules metricated the stamping
www.vintageguns.co.uk
Thank you @Heym SR20 for your interest and information.
I will phone a gunsmith tomorrow and ask for price and possibilities regarding barrell wall thickness check.
I will phone a gunsmith tomorrow and ask for price and possibilities regarding barrell wall thickness check.
Heym SR20
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That is a 12 bore, with original bore dimensions of 0.729”. Bore is measured at 8 inches from the breech end. If its more than 10 thou, ie bigger than 0.739” it would be out of proof, and thus in the UK, illegal to sell. Doesn’t necessarily mean that its unsafe to shoot, just that the bore is now bigger than it was. Over time bores do wear, but most oversizing is caused by polishing the bores because somebody can’t be bothered to clean the gun after shooting, powder residue has attracted moisture which then causes rust pits. You then have to polish the bore to get rid of the pits.
Other thing to look at is the screw slots. They don’t look messed up by some idiot.
Look at the bottom plate on the action. The bluing tends to get worn away as its carried over the arm or in hand. This one looks to have full bluing - either little used or it’s been refinished. The other place to look is the trigger guard and the metal strap behind the guard - again get worn as it is used. Muzzles again show wear as a gun is pushed in and out of gunslip.
Finally look down barrels and run fingers along the barrels. You will see and feel if there have been any dents or dings that have been repaired.
For comparison this little 20b (they tend to go for a bit more than a 12) has about 50% colour hardening on the action indicating plenty of use, but still plenty of life in it.
SOLD - 20g A&D ejector by Webley & Scott - 28" x 2 3/4" barrels -
This is a Webley 700 in 20g, built circa 1963. Steel barrels measure 28" x 2 3/4", and the gun has Webley's typical screw-grip, top lever system, an auto safe and Southgate ejectors...
www.gmackinlay.com
In the UK a good unmessed with A&D or boxlock ejector with 28” barrels sells for £1,000, fancier higher grade ones, £1,250 to £1,500 and really pretty high grade ones with a good name £2,000.
A similar gun to the one you are looking at
enfieldspares
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Two Webley 700 went through Lonsdale's on Saturday. The world has moved on. Back even in the 1990s these things usually would retail at around £1200 to £1400 in reasonable order. And were very quickly sold. But the 2020s seems to have started with them around £700 and the price ever downwards. At Southam's late last year a near as new W C Scott made only about £1000. Simply they are no longer desired here. So the Norway gun is silly daft money. The way driven game is done nowadays it is rare to see a side by side on a shoot. Over and under guns rule the day and of them various models of Beretta are seen very frequently. But some folk if they sold not guns but milk they'd be listing it at £5 a bottle. £1800? And with that awful awful stock extension job. Made I laugh! As they say parts of rural England.
HonestJohn
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The wood is still proud to the metal, ie, the wood protrudes above the metal mating surfaces, that’s generally indicative of low usage and not having been refinished. A good sign.
Heym SR20
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But overseas markets have really picked up and the demand for these guns has risen nicely. There is also a lot of renewed interest from UK shooters in side by sides.
At long last folks have realised that steel cartridges work just fine in such guns, and thus no need to listen to the crap spouted by some that they are totally obsolete and worthless, here sir is nice new Beretta Silver Pigeon and don’t worry sir we will happily take in your Dickson Round Action and dispose of it for you (that is ship it across to our friends in the US and make £3000 on the whole transaction). Exactly what happened to a colleague of my wife when he joined me on a shoot last year - fortunately the dealer had let him take the silver pigeon out for a try. He bloody hated it, and after seeing all the old guns we were using with steel shot, went back and retrieved his grandfather’s old Dickson.
Walter Borg auctionet are going to present a catalog for their next auction at august 1 ends august 23d.
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From last auction
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