haed shots on you tube!!!
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deerslayer
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The brains dead but the heart will still be beating can for 2 3 mins trouble is game dealer want head or neck shot deer this is fine in a park but not wild in my view.
Perhaps you could explain your reasoning here?
Particularly the bit about "this is fine in a park- etc"
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jamross65
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I had to shoot a horse once under the instruction of a vet who was in attendance, the reasons why are not really relevant however, I shot it right between the eyes with my .25-06. It never took a step. The vet immediately checked the animal for a pulse and within a matter of seconds said that he could not find one. He went on to tell me that sometimes using the pistol they have, a pulse could be detected for several minutes afterwards but in his opinion the animal was clinically dead. I am confident that if the vet is telling me that the animal is not suffering even although a pulse can be felt, thereby agreeing with your assumption that the heart still beats after a head shot, then I fail to see what the issue is there.
I also cannot grasp the statement about park deer. I have absolutely no experience whatsoever in shooting park deer but can't for the life of me imagine why a neck/head shot is more appropriate for them over wild deer, a practice which I employ on every stalk.
sweep 6.5x55
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James, Griff & any others who are OK about headshooting wild deer,
What would you think or say or do if you took a guest out stalking and they head shot a deer?
What would you think or say or do if you took a guest out stalking and they head shot a deer?
jamross65
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Can I just clarify a very important point here.
I shoot 99.99% of my deer in the neck or head. I take the shot based on all the circumstances I am faced with. if I am happy at the time I take the shot, if not I will wait for another time.
On every post I have penned on this subject I have NEVER suggested that we should all do this. I would NEVER criticise a fellow stalker who happens to shoot all his deer in the chest. That is his choice. Just as the above is mine.
Conversely, to answer your question, if I had someone out with me and I was aware of their ability, I would expect them to conduct themselves accordingly with an appropriate shot. However, if a total novice then I would expect to see them and indeed would tell them, to take the shot that in THEIR EXPERIENCE would offer the best chance of a clean kill, and that would no doubt be a chest shot.
Im new to stalking and have only 2 deer in my book but they wore both head shoots now they wore my first kills one in a park and one in the wild both went down straight away i just thought as novice how people would feel, my view is that i was confident about the rifle and had no doubt in my mind i was going to miss and i didn't.
I head shoot deer.
The only view to take if taking head shots is "the deer will come again"
I ensure stable bi-pod shots and am confident with my equipment. If the conditions are not perfect then the deer lives another day.
However if I were paying for the stalking and a beast presented I would take a Heart lung shot.
Conditions dicate the type of shot that should be taken and at the end of the day if the correct calibre is used for either, the deer will be taken cleanly and humanely.
At least with a head shot there is no need for a follow up.....
The only view to take if taking head shots is "the deer will come again"
I ensure stable bi-pod shots and am confident with my equipment. If the conditions are not perfect then the deer lives another day.
However if I were paying for the stalking and a beast presented I would take a Heart lung shot.
Conditions dicate the type of shot that should be taken and at the end of the day if the correct calibre is used for either, the deer will be taken cleanly and humanely.
At least with a head shot there is no need for a follow up.....
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centralbeltstalker
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176 yards head shot.
would i do it to a living animal. NO.
all he has to do is move before i take the shot.
will i condemn those that do No.
you do what your good at and feel is right.
make a mess of it and i will be the first to say your a you know what.
we all do what we can within our limitations.
having two deer shot and both head shot ..erm a mixer me thinks..
having 200 deer under ones belt and prefer head shots then crack on.
we dont have to judge people on our limitations.
yes i have shot deer in the head both where stone dead on impact.
if i hit a deer in the jaw and it ran i would not be able to life with it therefore chest is the one for me.
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would i do it to a living animal. NO.
all he has to do is move before i take the shot.
will i condemn those that do No.
you do what your good at and feel is right.
make a mess of it and i will be the first to say your a you know what.
we all do what we can within our limitations.
having two deer shot and both head shot ..erm a mixer me thinks..
having 200 deer under ones belt and prefer head shots then crack on.
we dont have to judge people on our limitations.
yes i have shot deer in the head both where stone dead on impact.
if i hit a deer in the jaw and it ran i would not be able to life with it therefore chest is the one for me.
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centralbeltstalker
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I would love to see them. i enjoy seeing ethical videos. links would be nice
I take it this is the clip
If so, then yes it seemed a very good shot which produced a clean kill in a demanding situation
that I don't hav a problem with
but the circumstances that produced the head shooting is what should be questioned not the quality of the marksmanship
to many variables to go wrong from the way it was set up
this is not the type of clip that should be used as a good reason for head shooting in my opinion or to promote head shooting to the mass
you may of had a clear shot of the head but the film clip shows other wise and that is the part that the mass will see I'm afraid
How do you know that you actually missed and not pulled the shot and just clipped the said beast that ran off just showing no sign of a strike, as surely this is as bad or even worse than striking the jaw
and just for the record a j aw shot deer can be tracked quite easily if you hav the know how and a dog trained for such events , normally it is the stalker that pushes the deer on before he realises it was struck in the jaw
that I feel is the difference
I have missed both head and H/L shots.
The head shot was a complete miss,
The H/L miss was a pull to the the guts.
I have also been present when a head shot was a runner. She ran less than a pulled gut shot.
The missed head shot was finnished much sooner than the H/L shot.
The head shot was a complete miss,
The H/L miss was a pull to the the guts.
I have also been present when a head shot was a runner. She ran less than a pulled gut shot.
The missed head shot was finnished much sooner than the H/L shot.
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centralbeltstalker
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Answer to that is with a good dog
says the man with a great dog and i have seem him in action.
jamross65
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Answer to that is with a good dog
I have a dog, as to whether it's good or not well, it's difficult to answer as she very rarely has had to follow a track. In fact, if memory serves it was about 5 years ago when an American shot a young buck in the ribs and it ran about 75yds into the trees.
Still would not want to follow the creased brisket shot but point taken...
bambislayer
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The guest would be under my control and I would not allow anyone to take a shot if I was not confident that it was within their capabilities. simples
turning into ground hog day this one
one last thing, is there a difference in shooting wild and non wild deer??? In my mind they all command the same respect
I quite often give my guests the option to head shoot or not
Basically I'm prepared to let them take the shot they are most comfortable with and feel most confident in taking
I find 95% don't choose a head or neck shot anyway and prefer to wait for another shot to appear
Even if it means not getting a shot at all, It's their choice and I respect them for it
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