BASC to remove "Legal Expenses Cover" wef 31 July 2020

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You say still rising, so why the legal problem - why the bad accounting on costs ?
The membership figures are not verifiable according to Companies House, or anywhere else I have looked so the assertion that they are rising is (currently) barely as credible as that they are in free-fall.

We must all do what we feel is right and truthful, isn't that so ? I would check the survey which suggests barely 13 % of BASC's membership will renew and those can give no sound reason. We alsohave air rifle fora saying the same and even pigeon watch is pigeon watched off over it. I dont think this will be put right by saying more people are signing up to BASC.
Just my humble opinion.
 
Mickeydredd said:
ps your poll has been voted on by 119 members of an online forum, so, with all due respect, per my comment...............
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Just got my BASC renewal through, £82 for what is now a sub standard insurance product. Needless to say I won’t be renewing. Have just insured with country covers for less than £50 for far better cover, including legal expenses and worldwide cover added on for the odd international hunting trip. If your primary reason for being a member of BASC was to for the insurance, its no longer fit for purpose in my humble opinion.
 
So I’ve now cancelled my BASC membership and therefore my insurance. I’ve emailed Mr O’Gorman along with BASC south east office and head office but as yet no reply to my two page email. It was to be fair quite a scathing indictment as to there not fit for purpose organisation and I did sign off with I’m not expecting a reply as my previous emails sent asking for some clarification and answers to some questions that fall outside of the current BASC narrative never got replied to so I think this email will be no different but we live in hope.

Joined country covers now for half the cost and better benefits it seems.

Mr O Gorman is quiet now it seems????!!!!
 
I wonder if connor has mentioned to the people above him at Marford mill the strength of feeling on this matter from all the forums? And if he has what was their answer? I suspect that if he has, they took no notice at all.
 
View results: BASC Legal Expenses Cover Final Straw. Where you going to go?
  • Nowhere Staying with BASC
    Votes: 17 14.3%
  • Countryside Alliance
    Votes: 6 .0%
  • SACS
    Votes: 18 15.1%
  • NGO
    Votes: 19 16.0%
  • CPSA
    Votes: 7 5.9%
  • SGA
    Votes: 26 21.8%
  • CCC3
    Votes: 14 11.8%
  • GUNPLAN
    Votes: 6 5.0%
  • OTHER ( please put in reply)
    Votes: 6 5.0%
  • Total voters 119
  • This poll will close: Jul 24, 2020.
So they are losing around 100 members of the SD out of circa 156,000....not sure they will be quivering in their boots tbh
 
Mickeydredd said:
View results: BASC Legal Expenses Cover Final Straw. Where you going to go?
  • Nowhere Staying with BASC
    Votes: 17 14.3%
  • Countryside Alliance
    Votes: 6 .0%
  • SACS
    Votes: 18 15.1%
  • NGO
    Votes: 19 16.0%
  • CPSA
    Votes: 7 5.9%
  • SGA
    Votes: 26 21.8%
  • CCC3
    Votes: 14 11.8%
  • GUNPLAN
    Votes: 6 5.0%
  • OTHER ( please put in reply)
    Votes: 6 5.0%
  • Total voters 119
  • This poll will close: Jul 24, 2020.
So they are losing around 100 members of the SD out of circa 156,000....not sure they will be quivering in their boots tbh
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But so what? 100 10 1 it matters to me that I’m not supporting them any more. Even if they loose 100 or so members it may/may not have any long term difference but we have to try and the only thing we can do is write the emails and the letters and if they are not responded to (which they are not) then all we can then do is vote with our feet which I and many others have done.

I suspect though that once the pressure ramps up re releasing game birds then we will see the true colours of members and the organisation
 
Mickeydredd said:
View results: BASC Legal Expenses Cover Final Straw. Where you going to go?
  • Nowhere Staying with BASC
    Votes: 17 14.3%
  • Countryside Alliance
    Votes: 6 .0%
  • SACS
    Votes: 18 15.1%
  • NGO
    Votes: 19 16.0%
  • CPSA
    Votes: 7 5.9%
  • SGA
    Votes: 26 21.8%
  • CCC3
    Votes: 14 11.8%
  • GUNPLAN
    Votes: 6 5.0%
  • OTHER ( please put in reply)
    Votes: 6 5.0%
  • Total voters 119
  • This poll will close: Jul 24, 2020.
So they are losing around 100 members of the SD out of circa 156,000....not sure they will be quivering in their boots tbh
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They are losing members from outside of SD all my shooting friend were with BASC and they are all with NGO only one still with BASC but he is looking to change soon.
 
There's always a lot of sounding off on here, but who is ACTUALLY doing anything about it ?

Some will change, others will just carry on, because it's easier, and they can't be bothered.

I guess if you don't care about the BASC screwing over it's members, possibly YOU. Not knowing what they will withdraw next, reducing the value of being a member, but charging the same, in real terms a price hike, that's fine.

They claim removing the LEC, is in the "best interest of the members", on what planet ????

In my experience, the people who run the BASC appear to be self serving, lack integrity, and the accountants are at best, incompetent !

To be honest, I don't care if the true figure regarding the cost of the LEC is £13.50, £5.80, or any other spurious number, they come up with, to fit their story,

BUT, when I pointed out, in very SIMPLE terms, that £13.50 x 150,000 members, was well in excess of £2,000,000.00, against a policy cost of £1,000,000.00, leaving an excess £1,000,000.00, soon to be £2,000,000.00 when they stop the policy, WE NOW HAVE,

A policy costing £1,000,000.00, with a claimed cost of £5.80 per person. This equates to over 172,000 members, and just how many members did they need the previous year, when the cost was allegedly £2.60 per person ???

Even if the policy only cost £500,00.00 the previous year, £2.60 per head would require over 192,000 members :-| :rolleyes:

I've never seen such an absolute load of BOLL0X, from people who seem oblivious, that every time they open their mouths, they just dig a deeper hole !

STEP 1: If you paid by CC, and will still have outstanding policy time, after the 1st of August, speak to your card company, and ask for a charge back. Tell them you bought insurance, and the BASC have changed what you paid for, by removing part of the policy mid term, making the policy "unfit for purpose". You want the Legal Expenses cover, like any insurance, just in case you need it. You do not want the value of the cover refunded, whatever that may be, because it still leaves you uninsured.

You want a full refund for the proportion of the policy that will be outstanding, as of August 1st.

You have plenty of time to do this, and get cover in place before this happens !

And there's still the FCA, and small claims court !
 
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Uncle f said:
But so what?
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So unless we see mass resignations nothing will change. The mentality of such organisations is that these situations are bumps in the road and they continue on their path. if they do not have the finance to continue on that path then they are forced to change.

It will be interesting to see where membership numbers stand in 12 months time.

Their staff costs are ridiculously high and not sustainable in my opinion, they have to be cut and if material numbers resign then this will be the first thing to be reduced (BASC told me last week the staff numbers had increased due to the rise in membership plus of course the salary review undertaken for non-senior staff which had an impact).

I'm not sure you will be able to claim anything back tbh, we bought a membership of a club that had some benefits attached, we didn't take out an insurance policy, even if you "just joined for the insurance"
 
Mickeydredd said:
I'm not sure you will be able to claim anything back tbh, we bought a membership of a club that had some benefits attached, we didn't take out an insurance policy, even if you "just joined for the insurance"
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We'll find out. The "benefits", or insurance, are an additional cost, they don't come free with the membership, and I don't care how little I can claim back, if I can get something back on the card, so can everyone else !

But, if we want to have an impact, so next time they decide to cost costs, at the cost of the members, it needs everyone who can, to do something about it !

I fear too many people think just going elsewhere at renewal is good enough ! It isn't. This is not about the money, for me, it's about someone bending me over a table, handing me a jar of KY, and telling me to smile !

The BASC have acted disgracefully, I'm disgusted with their attitude towards me, and every other member.
 
Well no surprises there then. Frankly as many will know I gave up on BASC some 20 years ago, and to me nothing has improved over those years. Some have asked me why I left and I have always been careful as it was an upsetting time for a family.

Some years ago whilst an active member of BASC I was leasing and running the deer management in the highlands on a 13,000 acre estate near Ardgay in Sutherland. There were high numbers of Red and Sika and it was without doubt one of the best areas I have managed up that way. Accommodation was also available, and at the time it was a low level building built by Thomas Telford I believe?

Anyway I digress slightly. I attended a BASC evening in Kent and offered a weeks free stalking with accommodation to BASC for a young shot at the show. The SE rep took my details and that was the last I heard from them. So a year later I offered it again via email to BASC, this time I got a response and they put the smallest advert in the BASC young shot mag. After this I contacted them and told them the advert was almost hidden, and in the next issue there was a reasonable advert offering the week. I should add that I did not want my name up in lights and nothing to do with me or my business was mentioned.

A lovelly young man won the prize and on his first day out with me he shot a Red hind, this was followed by a second and finally on the last day a Sika hind too. He was a great cook and insisted cooking roast dinner for us one night, all in all I was most impressed with his attitude and skills. I therefore offered for him to come back the following year and help out at the camp/lodge for which I would pay him and feed him and possibly get him his first stag.

Thinking about it as I write this I can now say this would have been 20 years ago this December coming. We kept in touch over the coming months and just after Christmas that year I received a phone call from his mother. He had been involved in a fatal car accident going stalking with a friend near the forest of Dean I think.

He would have been 18 years old. I was asked to attend to funeral but couldnt make it to Wales, but she asked if I could send her the photos I took of him stalking with me as the family had none of him doing what he loved most. Of course I obliged by sending a full set for the family to keep. Roughly two days later I lost my father to pneoumonia.

The fact is that after contacting BASC about this young mans end I contacted BASC and informed them of his passing and asking for an obituary to be posted in the young shots mag. NOTHING was forth coming from them AT ALL. It was to them irrelevant, but I am sure if it had been one of the many minions under their pay scheme it would have been all over their Magazine.

Along with some other issues which I shall not bore you with, that was the final straw for me to remain with BASC. A more uncaring organisation I have yet to find, and nothing seems to have changed in my opinion in 20 years. They have lost the ability to relate to their members, there has always to my mind been a slight snobbery to those in charge of it. They started as WAGBI, and a bunch of old wildfowlers seeking to protect their sport and the environment they enjoyed whilst undertaking that sport.

That's a far cry from what I see today. And I for one would never return.
 
Mickeydredd said:
View results: BASC Legal Expenses Cover Final Straw. Where you going to go?
  • Nowhere Staying with BASC
    Votes: 17 14.3%
  • Countryside Alliance
    Votes: 6 .0%
  • SACS
    Votes: 18 15.1%
  • NGO
    Votes: 19 16.0%
  • CPSA
    Votes: 7 5.9%
  • SGA
    Votes: 26 21.8%
  • CCC3
    Votes: 14 11.8%
  • GUNPLAN
    Votes: 6 5.0%
  • OTHER ( please put in reply)
    Votes: 6 5.0%
  • Total voters 119
  • This poll will close: Jul 24, 2020.
So they are losing around 100 members of the SD out of circa 156,000....not sure they will be quivering in their boots tbh
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You might equally conclude that only 17 out of 156,000 are staying with BASC!
 
timbrayford said:
You might equally conclude that only 17 out of 156,000 are staying with BASC!
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I actually conclude that most folk are fairly apathetic and will stick with the status quo.

A small minority, not material enough to worry BASC in the slightest, will resign and move elsewhere, most of which outfits will provide no greater service to the shooting community than BASC does or can do.
 
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