Shooting dogs
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baguio
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Sorry but pheasants, partridges and anything that you may choose to rear are covered whilst captive. No different to sheep.
Ade8mm
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Some helpful answers here.
However nothing that makes me feel happy about shooting an errant dog in the midst of attacking anything , indeed most replies support my current position which is, sad to say, suck it up.
Seems to be the answer to most offences committed against the person or their property these~days
I have little faith in any reporting to the police who in the first instance will be too busy for rural crime and have a poor knowledge of it ( l may be wrong but that is my experience) and they would most likely feel more sorry for the dog owner
(I feel it has something to do with the ever increasingly wrong and ill-considered "politics of envy" which are more infectious than chinese bat-flue!Once upon a time there would be no question about it. Now things are different.
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enfieldspares
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Yes. I've not seen a dog shot for at least forty plus years. As you say things now are different.
So long as you are protecting your livestock, in that they are actually being harassed at the time and you report it to the police within 24 hours you are covered. The best tool would normally be a shotgun. Ideally have some heavy cartridges to hand. Or you might just slightly wound the dog with bird shot and it'll run off. Retain the dog for the police to see if they so wish (some wool/blood around the mouth is always a winner).
Although if you know the potential of the dog in question and where it lives, it would be reasonable to speak with the owner and voice your fears and point out consequences, which would include the death of their dog and compensation for any livestock.
Most rural forces will be used to such occurrences and will deal with sheep worrying (or at least have it reported to them) quite frequently. Sadly, it's an annual event.
Although if you know the potential of the dog in question and where it lives, it would be reasonable to speak with the owner and voice your fears and point out consequences, which would include the death of their dog and compensation for any livestock.
Most rural forces will be used to such occurrences and will deal with sheep worrying (or at least have it reported to them) quite frequently. Sadly, it's an annual event.
As 'Jax' above says, "is it worth the repercussions", and as the 'OP' says, "would it bring a world of pain down on me"? In this last instance I think it may well do, in the former, no it wouldn't ! I am not suggesting this is ideal, but given the dogs owners are said to be lawyers they could well bring down overwhelming resources upon the 'OP'. Many years ago on farmland nearby a dog was shot worrying sheep. The entire family, kids 'n all, were virtually ostracized. Kids lives a misery at school etc. They moved ! And this was before all the 'wokery' and mis-placed animal sentimentality we have now. As 'Jax' says, I think best let police be the best course of action.
Kind Regards,
'Camodog'.
Kind Regards,
'Camodog'.
Put a little faith in the police on this one. If you know people who have been bitten or had their dog attacked, ask them to report as well.Some helpful answers here.
However nothing that makes me feel happy about shooting an errant dog in the midst of attacking anything , indeed most replies support my current position which is, sad to say, suck it up.
Seems to be the answer to most offences committed against the person or their property these~days
I have little faith in any reporting to the police who in the first instance will be too busy for rural crime and have a poor knowledge of it ( l may be wrong but that is my experience) and would most likely feel more sorry for the dog owner
Once upon a time there would be no question about it. Now things are different.
Rhodesianjess
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I have shot dogs in defence of livestock,sheep generally as cattle turn on the dog. Advice from tvp was to inform owners that dog had been seen worrying stock,had been reported as doing so to tvp, up to them to control their animal or suffer consequences.
Note that no warning shot,or one in the air, to be discharged. Only shots directed at dog to be taken, shotgun not rifle. This was advice from boss, presumably after him consulting his legal services.
Carcass to be submitted to local police station, along with statement by shooter.
People involved obviously not happy, however their insurance paid the estate. This is within the last few years.
Note that no warning shot,or one in the air, to be discharged. Only shots directed at dog to be taken, shotgun not rifle. This was advice from boss, presumably after him consulting his legal services.
Carcass to be submitted to local police station, along with statement by shooter.
People involved obviously not happy, however their insurance paid the estate. This is within the last few years.
Ade8mm
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I have already advised all parties affected to keep a log and report each incident to the Police (and to demand an incident number which I understand they must give).
It seems it is all about building a case rather than dealing with the problem.
Hey-ho. Work smart not stupid.
(For those that know me, I am currently 3500 miles away from home in the desert at work and have other things to deal with, then this all kicked off again this morning)
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Best bit was Mrs Ade8mm (back at home) quoted an SD thread in an email to me in-respect of Drahthaars and how they ain't family dogs etc. One for the SD massive
Wonders will never cease
It seems it is all about building a case rather than dealing with the problem.
Hey-ho. Work smart not stupid.
(For those that know me, I am currently 3500 miles away from home in the desert at work and have other things to deal with, then this all kicked off again this morning)
)Best bit was Mrs Ade8mm (back at home) quoted an SD thread in an email to me in-respect of Drahthaars and how they ain't family dogs etc. One for the SD massive
Wonders will never cease
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Been 3 report as shor while worrying in Central Scotland in the last few weeks.
There is a concerted effort to get these incidents in the media as a deterrent to people walking dog off the lead around livestock.
No repercussions for the owners, in fact Police and Polititians have openly supported the shootings
Two cases local to me with very different outcomes. First dog was shot and ended up floating down the river, the worrying and subsequent shot were witnessed by a man fishing said river, police notified and all’s well.
Second case, after repeatedly warning the owners of a serial worrier, the dog was shot. Dogs owner was a retired city cop, cue the blues and two’s, all rifles seized and still trying to get them back 12 months later !
You can’t know which way it will go when you squeeze the trigger.
Second case, after repeatedly warning the owners of a serial worrier, the dog was shot. Dogs owner was a retired city cop, cue the blues and two’s, all rifles seized and still trying to get them back 12 months later !
You can’t know which way it will go when you squeeze the trigger.
bobthedug
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I'm sure that is not the case. They are not classed as livestock.
Certain poultry is covered IF you are dependant on them for your income.
baguio
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Well you're certainly wrong then! You have answered you own comment. What does a gamekeeper rely on for his income?
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Jon P
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I believe once pheasant are released they are wild, but would probably be considered livestock if contained in breeding pens.
Game stock is when captive in pens, someone’s property and therefore you can protect them the same way as sheep. When they are loose, different rules cover their protection.
Remember all shooting of someone’s property, although defendable under the law, must be proven and can insure a civil case against you. A trail of written warnings or logged reports is always a good idea. Remember also to report to the authorities that you tried to stop/catch/ verbally/physically scare off the animal before resorting to shooting. Dealing with a lawyer with always be ‘fun’
Remember all shooting of someone’s property, although defendable under the law, must be proven and can insure a civil case against you. A trail of written warnings or logged reports is always a good idea. Remember also to report to the authorities that you tried to stop/catch/ verbally/physically scare off the animal before resorting to shooting. Dealing with a lawyer with always be ‘fun’
