Magnificent 7
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Yes 110 grain gmx he has since moved to Barnes homeload
real life experience with copper bullets ??
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StephenToast
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Jesus. Another thread on this?
I use RWS HIT in .30-06 four species. Hundreds of them by now. Plus foxes, rabbits, hares.
Recommended to me by a friend who works for the FC and has shot thousands with non-lead.
My experience is that they kill deer just as well as the lead I was using before. I haven't adjusted my poi or any of that shite. I just put them in my rifle amd started shooting with them.
The only difference is that there is less carcass damage. Not to the detriment of clean kills. Just less meat waste on chest shot.
I use RWS HIT in .30-06 four species. Hundreds of them by now. Plus foxes, rabbits, hares.
Recommended to me by a friend who works for the FC and has shot thousands with non-lead.
My experience is that they kill deer just as well as the lead I was using before. I haven't adjusted my poi or any of that shite. I just put them in my rifle amd started shooting with them.
The only difference is that there is less carcass damage. Not to the detriment of clean kills. Just less meat waste on chest shot.
Bigger case with more powder and a longer barrel works just fine, pushes expansion velocities out there.
Low muzzle velocities out a shorty may not be reliable at range any more
300m plus with copper needs quite a bit of power to keep the velocity up. The BC's on the copper bullets are just not good enough to get out there and stay above 2400 fps which is the min velocity I am personally happy to trust monolithics down to - the fragmenting copper bullets might be different, I don't know yet. My 26" 280ai will get to 400m with an LRX over 2400 fps, as will 6.5 PRC, 7RM, 300WM, but the majority of deer stalking rifles in the UK today will struggle to deliver a copper monolithic with enough velocity to expand reliably much beyond 250m. Everyone needs to be running the numbers on their own chosen cartridge/bullet combination to understand what their new range limit is.
Utectok
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I have read 2000fps will give expansion on Barnes ttsx? indeed I think the manufacturers claim 1600fps -1800fps. Anyway I've not exceeded 250m with the bullet on live quarry.... If circumstances occur I'm pretty certain the job would be done to 350m.... Not that there are many shots I take at that range
A Guy Out West
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Been using Barnes X bullets since 1995. Elk, mule deer and antelope, all one shot decisive kills. Started with the X bullet now using TTSX. 30/06, .270 Win and in about a week .264 Win. I can recommend them without reservation.
alberta boy
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I haven't shot enough game with them to give a comprehensive opinion . The ones I've used , Barnes TSX mostly , worked perfectly . In the end , it's like any other bullet , use a bullet that's appropriate for the conditions and game you expect to encounter .
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Heym SR20
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Since when for deer stalking has a bullet that doesn’t perform well beyond 300m really been a major problem.
Have we all become so inept at actually stalking that we need a rifle and bullet combination that performs well at 400, 500 or even 600 metres.
And in Scotland we have a little matter of wind, and there are few days where wind will not have a big effect on bullet placement. And no amount of technology will give you an accurate picture of how that 30 mph wind swirling around the mountain will affect the drift of the bullet.
Copper bullets are like all other bullets. Up to 150 or so metres they work very well. From 150 to 250 you need to think about the shot and whether or not you should take it. If you do you are aware of the limitations. Over 250 - well I would only shoot if absolutely necessary.
Have we all become so inept at actually stalking that we need a rifle and bullet combination that performs well at 400, 500 or even 600 metres.
And in Scotland we have a little matter of wind, and there are few days where wind will not have a big effect on bullet placement. And no amount of technology will give you an accurate picture of how that 30 mph wind swirling around the mountain will affect the drift of the bullet.
Copper bullets are like all other bullets. Up to 150 or so metres they work very well. From 150 to 250 you need to think about the shot and whether or not you should take it. If you do you are aware of the limitations. Over 250 - well I would only shoot if absolutely necessary.
Leec6.5
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357m red calf, worked perfectly
what everyone needs is a 270
people really are over thinking this move to copper, its really not that difficult.
roll them up and go kill deer, its that easy.
well apart from 6.5 calibres they take a bit of fettling to get right.
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But not this (in my experience). I didn't find them any harder to load for in 2 x 6.5 cartridges than lead.
Rutland lad
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But they do tend to indicate GF material.
timbrayford
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Based on the single shot that I used on a roe buck the Barnes TTSX (80gr/.243) absolutely pole axed it at just over 100m. Previously I have been using the excellent Nosler Accubonds with similarly good effect.
All i can say is thanks Lee for your hard work due to your advice it took me nine bullets 
oh and the 6.5x55 is still putting them down
oh and the 6.5x55 is still putting them down
Ronin
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Fifteen years, possibly more of using copper killing quite a few deer at various ranges from singles to multiples in low stress deer unaware to high stress culling activity where many are taken within a short period
Four have required second shot in that time
Nothing wrong with non lead
Shot placement is key
with that so is practicing ans practical application
Four have required second shot in that time
Nothing wrong with non lead
Shot placement is key
with that so is practicing ans practical application
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