Shock collar

[Dunwaters]

It worked? She’s a pointer and head strong

I had the same issue and the collar sorted it in a couple of outings but its really important that the dog understands what its getting shocked for, in my case the “symptom” was coursing hares but the real problem was ignoring the stop and recall whistle.
Be careful with it, its very easy to over-correct.

 

[StephenToast]

 

[John Gryphon]

We used to pull the collar out at Xmas time for the adults..toughest by far were the girls,true.

 

[Rake Aboot]

Not illegal in Scotland. Perfectly legal and not banned

Buy a quality one and not some cheap crap. You need very fine level controls .

Very effective but if you hurt the dog with it you are using it incorrectly.

Buy a Dogtra

 

[Buchan]

It needs to be done with great care so that the dog does not associate the shock with something else. You may think it is hare-shock as a means of developing an aversion to the hare. The dog might associate the shock with a particular place or body movement from you.

 

[GSP84]

For clarity in Scotland the government have issued guidance that the use may constitute animal abuse, but they are not outright banned.

Only wales currently has an outright documented ban

 

[Twodogs]

Read the scientific research, this will help you make an informed and objective decision.
Yes they do work, so does the taser as used by the police.

 

[GSP84]

Read the scientific research, this will help you make an informed and objective decision.
Yes they do work, so does the taser as used by the police.

Nearly everything you can read these days is biased.

Comes down to the old saying, that old school trainers use to justify their brutal old ways… ‘do you want a dog trained in 3 months or 3 years’.

As you have highlighted, yes they work, they work so well that it is the primary means of training the Americans use for military labradors, and the Belgians use for their malinois that are purchased by the forces all over the world.

Quick, easy, effective…. If the dog is nothing but a tool to you, with no motions, ideal.

For everything else consideration and balance is needed.

Personally I used one on my first ever dog, because I made mistakes in his initial training, and it was a seriously easy correction with a collar. He was at the stage of accept the dog would be a useless and never be able to work, or try something I would otherwise have never considered. The impact was immediate, because he knew what to do better than almost any dog I’ve ever known, but is hard headed and chooses not to.

Every dog since has been exceptional, and each one an improvement time and time again. Because now I know what I’m doing. Now the only time a dog fails is genetics, one dog is exceptional in every way but sadly just hasn’t got the nose some of my other dogs have.

 

[Rake Aboot]

For clarity in Scotland the government have issued guidance that the use may constitute animal abuse, but they are not outright banned.

Only wales currently has an outright documented ban

I think you mean they have said their misuse might constitute abuse.
They are not in any way banned not just outright.
They are perfectly legal to use correctly.

 

[Bigcal]

Any one use one? If so are they worth putting your dog through? I have an issue with hares mine can’t help but take chase

Out of interest how old is the dog? How many seasons has it had out in the field?

 

[Firefly]

Use vibration when stalking without needing a whistle or call impressive to look at as the dog seems to use telepathy.

 

[countrryboy]

Use vibration when stalking without needing a whistle or call impressive to look at as the dog seems to use telepathy.

Why would u need a collar on a dog when stalking?
Surely it should just be walking to heel anyway?

 

[Brittany boy]

I’ve used the one with the vibration, if you catch the dog in time it’s all that’s required, if the dog knows what you expect from it and still chooses to give chase then you have the option to shock, but you should have taught the dog what’s expected of it first , after the 1st or second shock a bright dog only needs the vibration if it’s ignored a voice or whistle command.

 

[Sharpie]

I think you mean they have said their misuse might constitute abuse.
They are not in any way banned not just outright.
They are perfectly legal to use correctly.

Actually they have been banned in Wales since 2010.

And, dated March 2021, it is reported that "Following a consultation on the use of aversive training devices earlier this year, the Scottish government has pledged to ban the sale and use of electric pulse, sonic and spray collars in Scotland, unless they are used under the guidance of an approved trainer or vet."

Also "In Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Austria, Switzerland, Germany, Slovenia, Wales, certain states in Australia and the province of Quebec in Canada, shock collars are illegal and banned"

 

[Rake Aboot]

I’m talking about Scotland . Not Anywhere else.

They are not banned or restricted in any way.

Cruelty is cruelty whether you use a collar or a shoe , so if used cruelly you would be committing a crime.

Not for using a collar though.

The law is very clear on this. You can use them in Scotland .

 

[T.eddie]

I’m talking about Scotland . Not Anywhere else.

They are not banned or restricted in any way.

Cruelty is cruelty whether you use a collar or a shoe , so if used cruelly you would be committing a crime.

Not for using a collar though.

The law is very clear on this. You can use them in Scotland .

agreed, ive seen people treat dogs worse using a lead than a collar, comes down to knowing how to use the tool in a correct way that gives clear instruction

 

[Firefly]

Why would u need a collar on a dog when stalking?
Surely it should just be walking to heel anyway?

Cos it’s got his I’d tag on ? He likes to walk ahead. I let him. You can’t see your dog indicating if he’s by your side. You want him out front a way. If you’re looking at your dog beside you your eyes are in the wrong place.

 

[norma 308]

Unless you can do 100m in 9.5s then use one not ideal but having a chaser is far from ideal either

 

[Lloyd90]

People who have never seen or used one say they are cruel, and say to put them on yourself first as if you would never dare.

Those who have used them (properly) know they are not cruel, and if used (PROPERLY!) are a very effective training tool.
I have used one on myself, it does not hurt, it is not painful, it is not torture or cruel, its an odd impulse.

I always laugh at people who complain about e-collars, but recommend outdated practices like throwing a young dog in an enclosure with a ram so the ram batters it to get it steady or to stop chasing sheep, or people who will go out and give a dog a hiding after it's gone wrong, beating it when it comes back and has no idea what it's done wrong.

For an idiot, a lead can be cruel, a boot can be cruel, in the past they used to beat dogs with blue pipe, it was all bloody cruel.
Proper use of an e-collar is not cruel on its own.

If an idiot buys a collar, and uses it to shock their dog, immediately on high levels, without any training, or the dog knowing what its done wrong or what its supposed to do, then that is obviously cruel. Using one for a dog at a low level (which is usually all that is ever needed) is not immediately cruel, can be very effective, and is just another tool in training.

 

[Lloyd90]

The idiots in this video are playing up to the camera in order to get youtube views.