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norma 308 said:
Unless you can do 100m in 9.5s then use one not ideal but having a chaser is far from ideal either
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Won't cure a dog running in in a million years. Dog should've been trained to stop on command/whistle before being introduced to game. Back to the basic training is the only answer. And I've used them when they first appeared and I didn't know any better. They will stop a dog running in but it's the defeatist way out for not spending time with the dog and training it properly. You may as well beat your dog with a stick as use one.
 
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glasshalffull said:
Won't cure a dog running in in a million years. Dog should've been trained to stop on command/whistle before being introduced to game. Back to the basic training is the only answer. And I've used them when they first appeared and I didn't know any better. They will stop a dog running in but it's the defeatist way out for not spending time with the dog and training it properly. You may as well beat your dog with a stick as use one.
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The old ones when they first came out were cruel, and only allowed you to shock a dog on high levels.
Modern good quality units are highly adjustable and nothing like the old ones. Dogtra etc make very good units.

I have seen dogs that will stop 100/100 times on a thrown dummy, a dizzied pigeon, or in a pen, but when out on the real thing will chase. When the blood is up and the adrenaline flowing whilst hunting hard it's easy for it to go out the window.

A dog that never chases to me is a dog with low drive.
 
Iv trained and trialled springers for years. I don’t beat me dogs and I don’t shock em! If they mess up I break it down and back to basic training. The point is to understand why ur dogs doing what it’s doin, headstrong or not Iv had things that would run through a garden fence that turned into the best honest reliable dog u can ask for.

Biggest problem with most breeds is the person behind the dog!! Iv had people bring a dog in for training at 14 month old…. Wild as a hawk and can’t understand why? Then u get to learn they’ve been shooting over it every week since it was 8month old.😂
 
I have a lab gwp cross was trainied well as a deer dog and still is I made a fatal mistake and started taking her picking up on pheasant shoots and within two seasons despite all the training she’d had she became completely obsessed with the pheasant job and became a real pest whikst out stalking running in the try and catch pheasants she also became extremely gojd at picking up but completely on her own direction and started to take zero notice of me , the electric collie was purchased and after two light zaps all that training came flooding back last Friday whikst out picking up a hare ran past within three feet she sat and watched it on its way , they are a Great tool for far to intelligent dogs that are particularly good and escaping there handlers frustration 😂
 
glasshalffull said:
Won't cure a dog running in in a million years. Dog should've been trained to stop on command/whistle before being introduced to game. Back to the basic training is the only answer. And I've used them when they first appeared and I didn't know any better. They will stop a dog running in but it's the defeatist way out for not spending time with the dog and training it properly. You may as well beat your dog with a stick as use one.
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Yeh , you said it , you didn’t know any better.
If you did you might have learned how they work properly.
They don’t hurt the dog in any way when used correctly so nothing like hitting your dog with a stick.

I’d never dream of using a stick on a dog ffs !
 
Rake Aboot said:
They don’t hurt the dog in any way when used correctly so nothing like hitting your dog with a stick.
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That`s correct and smart dogs learn in no time.
Its the electric cattle fences that cause dogs to yodel,they also learn where to go under or cross them in safe places of their own accord.
My old bitch takes a circuitous route to get into a paddock that has delivered her a message before,she learned that herself.

I learned the 'shock method' also with the stock fences and get a belt every few weeks ha ha to remind me to either turn the power off for a repair or to "be diligent when passing through one"
 
I used a top of the range Sportdog collar a few years ago with a rescue Jack Russel and it only took 2 shicks to cure her failure to return when called. She never had a problem after with or without the collar on. I've recently used one but I just got a £20 one off Ali Express that has been just as good but 8x cheaper.

If used properly at the right moment by someone who has the dogs best interest at heart they are brilliant. Unfortunately to many people use them as a punishment rather than a training aid.
 
glasshalffull said:
Won't cure a dog running in in a million years. Dog should've been trained to stop on command/whistle before being introduced to game. Back to the basic training is the only answer. And I've used them when they first appeared and I didn't know any better. They will stop a dog running in but it's the defeatist way out for not spending time with the dog and training it properly. You may as well beat your dog with a stick as use one.
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Can’t agree with you, I’ve used one to stop dogs running in, its actually pretty much all I use it for, that and chasing.
Any dog worth its feed will throw you the 2 fingers and head off if it thinks it can get away with it. The collar shows them that distance is not a factor when it comes to doing what you're told.
 
Only time I've ever seen one used was the type which triggers when the dog passes a boundary wire..... on a Jack Russell that kept running off all the time. Totally ineffective. Well, the shock was certainly extremely effective. The dog was too stupid to ever associate the shock with running off.
 
Hare chasing / killing is the only thing I've used the e-collar for.

1st Vizsla developed a penchant for chasing and killing blue hares on the hill. Every time she did, I would religiously drag her back to the spot where she disobeyed the stop whistle, and give her a stern shake and dressing down - took about two seasons and was stressful for both parties.

2nd Vizsla (Her niece) discovered hare killing one day, killed five in the seat the following day, zapped her twice later that week and she never chased again - no drama, and we never fell out.

3rd Wirehaired Vizsla and 4th Vizsla (Great niece) steady to fur so far...

So I've had the thing for twelve years, only pushed the button twice, and definitely wouldn't consider it cruel - quite the opposite. Obviously they can be misused and overused causing superstitious behaviours and worse. I reckon aversion training, not enforcement, is where they excel and certainly less likely to go wrong.

Speak to, or better still, go and see an expert; I spoke to a lady at Pac Collars and then followed her instructions closely.
 
I am sure many dogs that may have had to be PTS for sheep etc will have benefited from the use of e collar Surely if used to train rather than punish and correct poor stock behaviour as an example they have a use
 
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