Do you have any idea how hospitals work?
Its also a statement based on what evidence exactly?
Meanwhile, One in three Covid patients may have caught virus in hospital - making lockdown ‘difficult to justify’
Bloody Boris, Hancock, Javid and the NHS
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Its also a statement based on what evidence exactly?
Meanwhile, One in three Covid patients may have caught virus in hospital - making lockdown ‘difficult to justify’
Skietindiekop
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My point was not to treat COVID for those who chose to not have the preventive treatment and therefore have more ability to treat everything else
Skietindiekop
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Yes I have and the evidence is coming from those that have to treat the people that are there.
Show the evidence
Skietindiekop
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Why? You don’t believe it and I have no interest in trying to convince you otherwise.
Rasputin
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Yes 17 beds per hospital is massive…. Completely irrelevant even when they built the covid sheds they had all the beds they needed but couldn’t manage a **** up in a brewery. Bunch of wasters.
Rasputin
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Oh yeah I’m fine with that thin the herd quicker. Blanket DNRs too…
MAH
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It's quite simple.
Some surgical procedures must have an intensive care bed on standby, incase things go wrong.
Currently 80% of covid patients in intensive care beds are unvaccinated numpties.
So if IC beds are full, granny doesn't get her hip op.
Don't blame the government or NHS blame the unvaccinated numpties.
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This statement is untrue. NHS budgets have risen every year since 2010 and are higher now both in real and nominal terms. There has at no stage been a cut.
The NHS budget and how it has changed
The total budget for the Department of Health and Social Care in England and how it has changed since 2007/08.
Out of some 259,000 beds removed since 1974. The Tories didn't do it. The NHS did it. Ministers do not have managerial control over the NHS. That's why the NHS employs over half a million people to manage it, rather than the DHSC doing it.
NHS hospital bed numbers
The number of hospital beds in England has more than halved over the past 30 years. This explainer looks at data on hospital beds, explores the drivers underpinning the changes it shows, and considers whether further reductions to bed numbers are realistic.
Indeed, and those stories were pumped out every winter in prior years too.
Agreed. A terrible position and a position chosen by the professionals not by politicians.
Why? This is pure prejudice. And why do people only argue this for covid? Why not refuse treatment to people with cancer (most cancer can be avoided, statistically), heart disease, road accidents, obesity etc.
In fact, nearly all healthcare could be denied on one ground or other and the the NHS would then be fine. If only the entire nation would sacrifice themselves for an organisation which supposedly exists to serve us, not itself, then the perpetual crisis in the NHS would end, along with tens of thousands of extra lives each year.
I've heard more than enough nonsense from people who think the nation exists for no higher purpose than to serve the NHS. About time it stopped.
gerarddwatts
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Please don't let the facts stand in the way of deluded left wing propoganda and lies.....This statement is untrue. NHS budgets have risen every year since 2010 and are higher now both in real and nominal terms. There has at no stage been a cut.
The NHS budget and how it has changed
The total budget for the Department of Health and Social Care in England and how it has changed since 2007/08.www.kingsfund.org.uk
Out of some 259,000 beds removed since 1974. The Tories didn't do it. The NHS did it. Ministers do not have managerial control over the NHS. That's why the NHS employs over half a million people to manage it, rather than the DHSC doing it.
NHS hospital bed numbers
The number of hospital beds in England has more than halved over the past 30 years. This explainer looks at data on hospital beds, explores the drivers underpinning the changes it shows, and considers whether further reductions to bed numbers are realistic.www.kingsfund.org.uk
Indeed, and those stories were pumped out every winter in prior years too.
Agreed. A terrible position and a position chosen by the professionals not by politicians.
It's incredible to me how people can go for years holding grievances founded on complete nonsense when, for the sake of two minutes, they could easily have seen that they were wrong and whatever invented oppression they resented, didn't actually exist. Extraordinary.
glasshalffull
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Mismanagement is too timid a word to describe the way the NHS has changed over my career within, I'd say cluster @#+*. As I say almost daily bring back matron and as for GPS being given free reign to run their own surgery where house call outs have disappeared well don't start me on that one
Skietindiekop
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You seem to have completely missed the point. It’s not about prejudice, it’s about getting our lives back from living in some sort of vacuum that is trying to stop the unstoppable.
The current (and potentially future) restrictions are because the NHS must be protected (not my words or view but Government policy). Everyone wants a free health care system but seem to forget that it is not really free.
Many businesses and their employees are being forced to keep managing with less and less and thus bringing economic imbalances that have the potential to do much longer term damage than Covid could ever do.
You know nothing about me. If there is reputable evidence I will look at it.
I work with data, and am happy to read any peer reviewed paper. Show it if its available, particularly the breakdown of vaccinated vs unvaccinated in ICUs. Shouldnt be too difficult... then we can compare figures to this time last year.
I think you mean you have a small amount of anecdotal evidence, possibly gleaned at the pub or on facebook pages, which I give the same credence as someone saying vaccinations cause blood clots, ie not very much.
The simple facts are these vaccines do not prevent transmission, but do reduce serious effects but it is a point of principle to not force any medical procedure on anyone, or discriminate against them for doing so, particularly taxpayers with many years funding the NHS.
It's a very long time since I have read the most bigoted replies to any post.
Particularly referring to those who wish to remain un-immunised.
That is their choice. NOT your's or the Govt's.
Just as it has been for years re the annual flu jab option. It is an option, not an instruction.
So, where does democracy lie in all this, huh?
It seems like the "scientists" & govt. wallahs have done their best to terrify the population. Bullying them to their own trumpet tune.
Shame on them.
Particularly referring to those who wish to remain un-immunised.
That is their choice. NOT your's or the Govt's.
Just as it has been for years re the annual flu jab option. It is an option, not an instruction.
So, where does democracy lie in all this, huh?
It seems like the "scientists" & govt. wallahs have done their best to terrify the population. Bullying them to their own trumpet tune.
Shame on them.
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“However, the positive research on the severity of omicron came as official figures showed the UK had more than 100,000 daily Covid cases for the first time since mass testing began during the pandemic.
Britain should not be subjected to further Covid restrictions, senior Government sources said on Wednesday night after the first UK real-world data revealed that people infected with omicron are up to two thirds less likely to end up in hospital.
The research, by Edinburgh University – submitted to government scientific advisers – suggests that the variant causes far milder illness than delta and that booster vaccinesprovide "substantial" extra protection against symptoms.
The findings are expected to be confirmed on Thursday by the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA), which found that Britons who fell ill with omicron were less likely to become severely sick, with more suffering a mild illness...
....official figures showed the UK had more than 100,000 daily Covid cases for the first time since mass testing began during the pandemic.
That was a 35 per cent increase on last Wednesday – but hospitalisations were up only four per cent at 8,008.
A separate study by Imperial College found people with omicron were up to 20 per cent less likely to be hospitalised and up to 45 per cent less likely to need a hospital stay of one or more nights.
Similar research from South Africa also found sharply reduced levels of hospitalisation. That country's outbreak appeared to have passed its peak, with the 'R' rate dropping below one just weeks after the world's first cases of the variant were reported.”
mchughcb
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I pay full private health insurance for my family.
And
I pay the public funded medicare through my taxes with an extra levy
When I go to a public hospital A&E they jump for joy they have a private health insurance,
then they wheel out a a piece of paper to sign which means private health insurance pays for your public service that you also pay for because that goes straight to the hospital, not the government.
And that is how government hospitals stay viable, but asking the private hospital patients to subsidize them.
Their quiet little secret.
And
I pay the public funded medicare through my taxes with an extra levy
When I go to a public hospital A&E they jump for joy they have a private health insurance,
then they wheel out a a piece of paper to sign which means private health insurance pays for your public service that you also pay for because that goes straight to the hospital, not the government.
And that is how government hospitals stay viable, but asking the private hospital patients to subsidize them.
Their quiet little secret.
Bavarianbrit
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So perhaps the NHS could/should offer health care to everyone with the proviso that if you have clearly self inflicted damage ie smoking related issues, obese related issues or others like drug use, non Covid vaxxed etc then the care needed would have to be stumped up by yourself either from your cash / house sale or through an insurance policy that you would have had to take out. All insurance works on risks so an obese would pay higher than a thin same as with young drivers versus older drivers. That might get the self inflictors to be more self aware. Just a first suggestion, all others are welcome. Lets fix the NHS concept as i think it was a noble effort.
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