Changes really are coming in firearms licensing….
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depends on the individual in question tbf some would enjoy it i feel sure
MAH
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I am aware of one incident that made the press, probably the one you're thinking about. However I don't know the actual frequency and don't feel the need to know.
I am still not worried by that bit of the proposed legislation.
M.
Comparing a potential restriction on home loading to thousands of innocent civilians being killed is a bit of a stretch, and I’m trying to be polite!
Not the comparison I was making - but you probably knew that.
long_range_rob
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With reference to the title of this thread you could say that ever since 1920. Change is the only constant.
Jeff8861
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Just a couple of points.
If this comes in which it may but I suspect the government has more pressing legislation to go through parliament first.
If it does it will be very hard to enforce, intent is very difficult to prove.
Re the CPS aspect its down to the police firstly to decide wether to prosecute. Re the public intrest test or evidential test. Its likely as with most firearms licensing offences the offence will be summary only. So why send someone to court where they will be in reality fined £100 with £150 costs, it then costs the tax payer 4k, its very disproportionate.
So if your caught breaching the legislation I suspect you will be offered an out of court disposal, the cps and the police have more pressing issues.
Quotes about over zealous feo's or police officers on an anti shooting campaign absolute tosh. Hope this puts the doom and gloomers and conspiracy theorists at ease.
If this comes in which it may but I suspect the government has more pressing legislation to go through parliament first.
If it does it will be very hard to enforce, intent is very difficult to prove.
Re the CPS aspect its down to the police firstly to decide wether to prosecute. Re the public intrest test or evidential test. Its likely as with most firearms licensing offences the offence will be summary only. So why send someone to court where they will be in reality fined £100 with £150 costs, it then costs the tax payer 4k, its very disproportionate.
So if your caught breaching the legislation I suspect you will be offered an out of court disposal, the cps and the police have more pressing issues.
Quotes about over zealous feo's or police officers on an anti shooting campaign absolute tosh. Hope this puts the doom and gloomers and conspiracy theorists at ease.
kennyc
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forgive my ignorance, but I thought the days of the Police deciding to prosecute was long gone ? the CPS decide whether something is prosecuted or not, the Police just put a file together that is passed to the CPS for a decision. or have I got that wrong?
Certain offences the police can prosecute without reference to the CPS, others have to be given the nod by the CPS. Think getting a ticket for speeding, no CPS involved.
kennyc
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yup but that is a fixed penalty charge.
Costs are requested by CPS, but do not have to be awarded, it is up to the discretion of the court. In magistrates court an early guilty plea costs order will normally be £85, a finding of guilt following a trial costs will normally be in the region if £775.
You also have a victims surcharge which can be up to 40% of any fine.
It is still a prosecution!
Jeff8861
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The police need to meet a test before it gets sent to the cps. Lots of minor summary offences or dealt with by the police. If its complex or not guilty plea it will be sent to the cps for advice
Jeff8861
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I put them figures down as its around the average everything is means tested. Licensing offences don't have a victim its a Regina offence.
enfieldspares
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Hmm! SIKAMALC. That's virtually, almost verbatim, what was said when the 1920 Firearms Act was going through Parliament to those MPs when the spoke against the matter:
Edward Shortt MP (the then Home Secretary) :
I can assure my hon. and gallant Friend below the Gangway (Colonel L. Ward) that the last thing the Government intend is to bring discouragement to any single rifle club.
The Bill makes specific provision to give certain privileges to members of rifle clubs. It is necessary for those members to get permits to use their rifles. Anyone who wants to use his individual rifle can do so on getting a permit. This is a small thing and must be done in future.
Any man who wishes to use his own rifle will be able to do so if he obtains a permit. This Bill will not harm any single rifle club, and is not intended to do so.
Incorrect in every respect. May I suggest that you do some research before posting!
May I suggest you fact check prior to posting.
Jeff8861
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No thanks
Reloader708
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I think (hope) a little common sense would come into play here. Someone of good character who is clearly into rifle shooting whatever form it may take and reloads is going to have a stock of components, the intent being to assembly and shoot them at some point.
Some one who is a known drug dealer, long criminal past living at the top of a block of flats in manchester with a load of components for 9mm under the bed as different intent.
I cant see it being possible to restrict things like cases, and would the items that make up shot gun cartridges come under the same restrictions?
Some one who is a known drug dealer, long criminal past living at the top of a block of flats in manchester with a load of components for 9mm under the bed as different intent.
I cant see it being possible to restrict things like cases, and would the items that make up shot gun cartridges come under the same restrictions?
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