Multiple rifles for deer, good reasoning ?
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You didn’t read my original post did you
Jeff8861
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I did
So you realise I am a target shooter?
You said
“I know target shooters who have even more but this will become a thing of the past.”
This is what I was querying, as a target shooter, why will multiple rifles be a thing of the past? If you show good reason, i.e. full member of a club that has access to range suitable for the type of firearm, and you intend to use it at least 3 times a year, why will a high holding be a thing of the past?
In which case if those rifles are suitable for deer the, under the latest (and previous) guidance, there is no requirement to establish good reason for a quarry condition to be added to that firearm.
So, hold 6 rifles for target that are suitable for deer and, following the guidance you should be able to get all 6 conditioned for deer. Or is this also changing?
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reiver
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Just to follow on from 25 sharps
My last 2 cf rifles for target shooting came back with stalking and aloq with out asking
Jeff8861
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In general licensing departments are cutting back on the amount of firearms being held by an individual. Target shooters will need to have the condition on thier certificate for a firearm to be used for target purposes and the control of deer. There are more significant changes in the pipeline following the coroners inquest from the Plymouth disaster. These will be more impactive for all types of shooting activities.
Jeff8861
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And that shows either lack of understanding by fld or they just couldn't be bothered to look into it. Again another cincern which came up in the coronors summary (lack of knowledge training and consistency across fld). Alot of failings by DC fld will impact on all aspects of shooting.
Or it reflects the fact that the FEO frequently sees rifles come in for target use and then subsequently the deer and AOLQ condition is added, so they’re just nipping it in the bud in advance if you’re a know deer hunter?
Specifics ?
So the new statutory guidance is being re-written again? And the basic principles of good reason are being changed?
When did these cut backs happen? I renewed in December, 16 firearms (excluding shotguns) held and slots added for 2 more and I’ve added one since.
Am I a special case?
No - you’re living in the real world outside of internet conjecture and “my brothers cousins sisters dogs FEO told me that the police are trying to manage down the numbers of guns people have.”
I’ve posted on this thread twice now about the rifles I have and how they were granted (not as many as you but I’m working on it hehe) and the reality is that if you have good reason then you can apply for it. I’d have thought both your and my experiences would show that
Internet says NONo - you’re living in the real world outside of internet conjecture and “my brothers cousins sisters dogs FEO told me that the police are trying to manage down the numbers of guns people have.”
I’ve posted on this thread twice now about the rifles I have and how they were granted (not as many as you but I’m working on it hehe) and the reality is that if you have good reason then you can apply for it. I’d have thought both your and my experiences would show that
Morkai
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If you have a rifle for target shooting then youve been deemed suitable to hold a FAC, if the licencing department add deer as a condition by default because the calibre is suitable then whats the issue?
Saves clogging up their system if you decide to go stalking in the future, allowing the departments more time to work on other things.
Saves clogging up their system if you decide to go stalking in the future, allowing the departments more time to work on other things.
Jeff8861
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No you're not a special case thousands like you, statutory guidance will change and it will be put into statue. This will go through the relevant amendments in law. However as I've mentioned interpretation by managers is the issue too many discrepancies and internpration ( for example one fld manger could revoke in a case of drink driving when another won't one manager sees thev risk of a cert holder with terminal cancer and another one manages it with monthly updates and dialogue). Too many different outcomes based on similar cases ultimately we are all different. But when it comes to facts evidence all the condtsbulries need to be singing from the same hymm sheet. In addition fld deal with alot more than grants renewals and variations. So the argument goes on re resources funding and the actual price of establishing a certificate holder. Chief Constables will have to supply sufficient funding training and resourcing going forward.
Foxyboy43
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Hmmm.
I don’t get all this - police guidance is that if a case is made which justifies grant then (all other things being satisfied) an fac will be granted - that is the bottom line - need must be satisfied, be it for quarry or target - period.
Nothing will change except of course rumour, speculation and scare stories!
I don’t get all this - police guidance is that if a case is made which justifies grant then (all other things being satisfied) an fac will be granted - that is the bottom line - need must be satisfied, be it for quarry or target - period.
Nothing will change except of course rumour, speculation and scare stories!
Heym SR20
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223 - Heavy barrel for target and sitting up for Roe
243 - lightweight sporter bolt action. Ideal for Roe and Red Hinds. Bit light for bigger deer.
7x57 - bolt action good all round open ground all types of deer.
7x65R / 16 bore - Combination gun with extra 7x65r Einstecklauf barrel. Lightweight travelling gun as it breaks down and gives all options. Ideal for mountain use as easy to carry and good hard hitting flat shooting rifle.
Add the Einstecklauf barrel and double rifle for woodland and driven type hunting.
243 - lightweight sporter bolt action. Ideal for Roe and Red Hinds. Bit light for bigger deer.
7x57 - bolt action good all round open ground all types of deer.
7x65R / 16 bore - Combination gun with extra 7x65r Einstecklauf barrel. Lightweight travelling gun as it breaks down and gives all options. Ideal for mountain use as easy to carry and good hard hitting flat shooting rifle.
Add the Einstecklauf barrel and double rifle for woodland and driven type hunting.
You still haven’t answered the question!
How are these changes going to make people holding a larger number of firearms for target shooting a thing of the past?
Are the changes going to change the the principles of good reason and if so how?
You haven’t elaborated or backed up your original statement at all.
Also how do you know all of this, what is your source of information Otis it just personal opinion?
The thread has taken a couple of curves, but my 2-penneth.
What you want and what you need are very different things. I started out in the 90's with an un-moderated .270 Parker Hale with a steel tube Weaver 4x32 wide view scope. I later 'upgraded' the scope to a Weaver 4 x 40. Started off with 130gr Winchester but a mate loaded a lovely 110gr which reduced muzzle flip and was sweeter to use. Shot plenty of munty/roe/fallow and the outfit served me well for many years.
After a long break, I now have a....
.308 with an S&B 8x56 loaded with Geco Zero, perfect for the high seat but a bit mighty for close-range munty and FOV isn't great for close woodland
.243 with an S&B 6x42 loaded with Winchester Copper Extreme Point. Drills holes through munty, didn't fully exit a big fallow doe on a quartering shot through shoulder but the scope combo is fab for woodland stalking - especially roe and munty.
6.5 Creedmoor - just bought it and put a 4-20 x 50 Meopta on it. Now.....I am hoping that this loaded with Hornady Outfitter CX will handle everything from munty to fallow and with the vari-power scope - woodland to long high seat shots. But if big bucks and reds were likely to be encountered, I would naturally pick up the .308.
Each variation was completed within a week by Suffolk Constabulary.
What you want and what you need are very different things. I started out in the 90's with an un-moderated .270 Parker Hale with a steel tube Weaver 4x32 wide view scope. I later 'upgraded' the scope to a Weaver 4 x 40. Started off with 130gr Winchester but a mate loaded a lovely 110gr which reduced muzzle flip and was sweeter to use. Shot plenty of munty/roe/fallow and the outfit served me well for many years.
After a long break, I now have a....
.308 with an S&B 8x56 loaded with Geco Zero, perfect for the high seat but a bit mighty for close-range munty and FOV isn't great for close woodland
.243 with an S&B 6x42 loaded with Winchester Copper Extreme Point. Drills holes through munty, didn't fully exit a big fallow doe on a quartering shot through shoulder but the scope combo is fab for woodland stalking - especially roe and munty.
6.5 Creedmoor - just bought it and put a 4-20 x 50 Meopta on it. Now.....I am hoping that this loaded with Hornady Outfitter CX will handle everything from munty to fallow and with the vari-power scope - woodland to long high seat shots. But if big bucks and reds were likely to be encountered, I would naturally pick up the .308.
Each variation was completed within a week by Suffolk Constabulary.
Jeff8861
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The introduction of new legislation and process will naturally reduce the amount of variations authorised. Retraining of feo will also influence the process. Too much disparity between forces is an issue. Basc have called for a central licensing agency this would be more cohesive but in practical terms it will not work. This is not my personal opinion and I don't need a source.
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