HSE final lead ammunition consultation launched

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So which is more critical, the occasional piece of lead that affects a small portion or forever chemicals that could affect a whole generation?

I know which I’d take my chances on.

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I know dozens of folks that have never ate game but have had all sorts of cancer's, dementia and heart conditions.
But do the experts really expect me to believe that banning lead ammunition is going to transform the health of the nation?
Bull **** !
 
But no proposals to ban lead flashing
Is lead still used in flashing.
I was told by a builder that the flashing used today is made of a metal with similar working properties, but no scrap value.
Of course, that doesn't mean that there's not millions of tons of the proper stuff adorning buildings the length and breadth of this fine isle.
 
The biggest worry for me is BASC is going to tell the HSE that they represent 150,000 members.
And that they are the voice of shooting.
And BASCs would like to see a voluntary ban on lead in the future.
When they have actually not consult their members on this issue.
So my question to Connor is are BASC going to consult their members before sitting down with the HSE on the subject of banning lead.
 
Here is a Q&A from Sporting Gun last year:

Has anyone actually died of lead poisoning by eating meat shot with lead?
We are not aware of any cases of people dying from swallowing pieces of lead shot or eating lots of lead-contaminated game meat. The evidenced impacts are more subtle than that and are now better understood by scientists and can unfortunately cause underlying health issues for some of us.

When we eat game meat contaminated with lead ammunition, we absorb some of that lead in our blood, tissue and bone.

X-ray and chemical studies of large and small game shot with lead ammunition reveal that lead contamination is much more extensive than only the wound channel and most of it cannot be detected by eye. Due to hormonal changes during pregnancy, lead that has been stored in the skeleton is released into the blood, exposing both mother and foetus. As a result, high levels of lead in mothers’ bones have been identified as a risk factor for impaired mental development in infants.

Developing brains exposed to low levels of lead are at risk for attention-related behavioural problems, decreased cognitive performance and increased incidence of problem behaviours.

This is why the Food Standards Agency advises against frequent consumption of lead-shot game by toddlers, children, pregnant women and women trying for a baby. For adults, there is growing evidence around lead exposure and associated increased risk of leukaemia, lung, stomach, and urinary-bladder cancer.
If it wasn't for my mother eating lead shot game I might have had an IQ of 200 just like my aunt then, I'd always wondered about that one. Good job that she turned down the Thalidomide trail though that the so-called scientists had created!
 
The biggest worry for me is BASC is going to tell the HSE that they represent 150,000 members.
And that they are the voice of shooting.
And BASCs would like to see a voluntary ban on lead in the future.
When they have actually not consult their members on this issue.
So my question to Connor is are BASC going to consult their members before sitting down with the HSE on the subject of banning lead.
They don't represent me anymore, despite my staunch defence of them on all too many occasions in the past!
 
Is lead still used in flashing.
I was told by a builder that the flashing used today is made of a metal with similar working properties, but no scrap value.
Of course, that doesn't mean that there's not millions of tons of the proper stuff adorning buildings the length and breadth of this fine isle.
 
Is lead still used in flashing.
I was told by a builder that the flashing used today is made of a metal with similar working properties, but no scrap value.
Of course, that doesn't mean that there's not millions of tons of the proper stuff adorning buildings the length and breadth of this fine isle.
It’s still lead. At least it melts down and casts bullets for my muzzle loader just the same 😂
 
I guess if I had given a £250,000 loan to the BGA and to get my money back in 2026 I need the market to take the product and they will only do so if lead free I would be in favour of banning lead shot.

PS BASC I would appreciate a £250,000 interest free loan over 7 or 8 years, thanks.
 

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Well what an interesting read.

I won't be buying BASC membership again and know others that wont too. I remember the first time all of this non-lead debate came about. How was it ever thought a good outcome that a gun would need to unload a shotgun and change the amunition to non-lead to shoot a different type of bird on the same peg miles away from wetland? The most worrying thing is the lack of consideration given to lethality and ethics, and some early alternatives were shocking to say the least, especially since so much of this is pushed forward by the bird protection lobby.

Much better giving that subscription money to better causes such as the BDS. I'm curious to know whether BASC have lost many members over the way it has handled the whole affair and decisions it made on behalf of the members it is said to be representing?
 
The biggest worry for me is BASC is going to tell the HSE that they represent 150,000 members.
And that they are the voice of shooting.
And BASCs would like to see a voluntary ban on lead in the future.
When they have actually not consult their members on this issue.
So my question to Connor is are BASC going to consult their members before sitting down with the HSE on the subject of banning lead.
The HSE review of lead ammunition started over 2 years ago. There have been regular updates and requests for feedback to BASC members all of that time by email and in BASC magazine. Also, to anyone that signs up for BASC Live whether members or non-members. Also updates and discussions on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, LinkedIn, this forum and others.

The HSE launched a call for evidence in 2021 and a public consultation in 2022. BASC has stated its opposition to the HSE restriction proposals from the outset, i.e. no need for further regulation, and progress has been made with lead airgun pellet ban proposals dropped, that lead rifle ammo can continue on approved ranges, and possibly also for live quarry (depends on latest consultation outcome).

However, work also still needed on HSE restriction proposals for lead shot for target shooting and live quarry and that requires people to help the cause by responding to this, the last HSE consultation, which this thread is about. Will you submit a response to the final HSE consultation by 10 December?

To do so, please click the link below for more info,

 
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The HSE review of lead ammunition started over 2 years ago. There have been regular updates and requests for feedback to BASC members all of that time by email and in BASC magazine. Also, to anyone that signs up for BASC Live whether members or non-members. Also updates and discussions on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, LinkedIn, this forum and others.

The HSE launched a call for evidence in 2021 and a public consultation in 2022. BASC has stated its opposition to the HSE restriction proposals from the outset, i.e. no need for further regulation, and progress has been made with lead airgun pellet ban proposals dropped, that lead rifle ammo can continue on approved ranges, and possibly also for live quarry (depends on latest consultation outcome).

However, work also still needed on HSE restriction proposals for lead shot for target shooting and live quarry and that requires people to help the cause by responding to this, the last HSE consultation, which this thread is about. Will you submit a response to the final HSE consultation by 10 December?

To do so, please click the link below for more in.


Thank you for your reply.
But will you be consulting your members on which way you will be fighting.
What I would like to know is BASC in favour of keeping lead or are you still in favour of phasing it out over a period of time.
And I am fully aware of how long this has been going on.
 
Thank you for your reply.
But will you be consulting your members on which way you will be fighting.
What I would like to know is BASC in favour of keeping lead or are you still in favour of phasing it out over a period of time.
And I am fully aware of how long this has been going on.
We have been and will continue consulting members and anyone else with an interest in fighting the HSE restriction proposals - and the bottom line right now is that this requires responses to the HSE consultation - which requires a bit of time for each of us to do so.

Latest BASC position and advice on responding is here:

 
Its also worth pointing out, that the money from shot game meat (whether lead or steel) is a drop in the ocean when it comes to the nitty gritty.
The real money is what people will pay for a days shooting pheasant , partridge and grouse, and its this market that needed protection.
A market BASC is heavily involved in.
Do you ever make any constuctive comments or just BASC bash?
 
whilst freedom to choose is lively, we live in a world that is going lead free. Embrace it and move on,.. seemingly when Horton and Co have their patent approved for Hortonium, there will be an alternatively which is as good as lead, but lead free. Can’t see what the deal is.. we don’t text and drive, drink and drive, we don’t smoke in planes anymore, bike or ski without helmets, etc.

Freedom of choice IS wonderful, move to New Hampshire - live free or die
 
We live in a world with global warming, embrace it and move on, stop using your diesel or petrol car or flying and ban smoking as a known killer. One freedom at a time and eventually they will get to one that does hurt you.

Horton & Co have gone quite, as good as lead may be however it is going to be like bismuth expensive.
 
We live in a world with global warming, embrace it and move on, stop using your diesel or petrol car or flying and ban smoking as a known killer. One freedom at a time and eventually they will get to one that does hurt you.

Horton & Co have gone quite, as good as lead may be however it is going to be like bismuth expensive.
They are just awaiting patent approval, prices will seemingly be only a smidge above lead. People are moving away from fossil based fuels, alternatives are not great yet, but will get there - and smoking is on the decline amongst youngsters as they have clued up.

The move from lead based ammo is only an issue to those stuck in the old ways. Trust me, I loved my old nosler partitions, but would I go back, hell no, my Sako powerhead blades group better and kill equally well.

Would I miss my 22lr if no alternatives such as hortonium came in the scene, yes..would I get over it, yeah.
 
They are just awaiting patent approval, prices will seemingly be only a smidge above lead.
A bit more than that I think. On the pigeon forum it was suggested Hortonium may be £1200 per 1000 cartridges. So most people will still be using steel shot, and, I read, there are doubts about even steel proved shotguns standing up to sustained use.
 
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