Frangible .243 rounds for roe work

[Anser anser]

Been flogged to death as a topic -perhaps ,but i'm wondering what rounds folks prefer for culling in areas where a frangible bullet may offer that bit extra security in order to minimize ricochet risks ,small a risk as it may be on a wheat or rape field in wet soil conditions . Im not all keen on neck shots personally but at shorter ranges of 60 yards or so i think the frangible round offers something here-so long as you hit the target ! Using portable high seats such as the one bushwear advertised improve safety of course so if sat out on one is "frangible" neccessary if your rifle is sighted at a beast 50 yards away and you are 10 feet off the ground .----- thoughts??

 

[Stalker62]

"Frangible"may increase 'meat' damage.

Hight Seats.

Bullets hit high when shooting down and up - but not so you would really notice from 50 yards.

A long shot on the Hill (up or down), and I will 'come down' an inch or so to allow.

 

[the prowler]

If you use a 75vmax the wound might be massive. I'd just stick to normal soft points or lead free tipped ammunition. Take care of the back stop. Maybe 223 or 222 are maybe better for the distance your shooting. You can't be 100% sure that a varmint bullet is going to stop in a deer and you might even miss. So 100% sure where the bullet will end up is the main priority. Using high seats will help.

 

[Edinburgh Rifles]

58gr vmax is an excellent round
chest shots avoiding leg bones are not messy either

 

[Anser anser]

im hearing that if they strike a rib it can limit the rounds penetration though ,is this correct??? Lots of half ended stories regarding the vmax hence my enquiry really .At 60 yards or so i felt they may be just the job if i encounter deer on stone covered topsoils or compacted soil in any manner

 

[VSS]

58gr vmax is an excellent round
chest shots avoiding leg bones are not messy either

Very good indeed.

 

[guns 6br]

87gr v max

 

[sauer]

Not .243 …. But .22-250 & .223 ( Scotland)

53grn vmax …. Never had a roe run with one yet !
Mix of 90% chest / engine room shots and 10% head shots

I too have a permission with urban / ricochet thoughts etc

Works for me

Paul

 

[Anser anser]

Not .243 …. But .22-250 & .223 ( Scotland)

53grn vmax …. Never had a roe run with one yet !
Mix of 90% chest / engine room shots and 10% head shots

I too have a permission with urban / ricochet thoughts etc

Works for me

Paul

sounds promising to me. ill need to check the zero for the 58 grain 243 vmax in comparison with say a 90 grain remmy bullet?

 

[Heym SR20]

Why frangible bullet? Surely a bullet that goes through the body in a straight line and then buries itself in the ground is much more preferable.

With a frangible bullet eg old cup and core bullets they can deflect hugely within a deers body and go pretty much anywhere.

If there is concern over ricochet through shooting at a shallow angle then do not take the shot.

If you need to shoot over that particular area then getting high through use of standing shots, or setting up highseats should be considered.

 

[homer]

sounds promising to me. ill need to check the zero for the 58 grain 243 vmax in comparison with say a 90 grain remmy bullet?

The 58gr is a great little bullet. Great for head/neck shots, i know 1 stalker that this is his go to round. Anything out to 250yds, no runners.

 

[VSS]

sounds promising to me. ill need to check the zero for the 58 grain 243 vmax in comparison with say a 90 grain remmy bullet?

I use 58 grain superperformance v-max in 243 (for foxes and head shooting fallow). There is no zero shift between those and the 100 grain 243 rounds that I use for other purposes.

 

[Anser anser]

Why frangible bullet? Surely a bullet that goes through the body in a straight line and then buries itself in the ground is much more preferable.

With a frangible bullet eg old cup and core bullets they can deflect hugely within a deers body and go pretty much anywhere.

If there is concern over ricochet through shooting at a shallow angle then do not take the shot.

If you need to shoot over that particular area then getting high through use of standing shots, or setting up highseats should be considered.

i might be on planet zog on this one but is the frangible bullet not as the name suggests --frangible, thus there should not be anything going anywhere of any significant size/mass after it has impacted the deer?? Yes i shall be placing a high seat in the very near future--and possibly using frangible also i reckon.

 

[Heym SR20]

i might be on planet zog on this one but is the frangible bullet not as the name suggests --frangible, thus there should not be anything going anywhere of any significant size/mass??

There is frangible and frangible. A frangible bullet is designed to disintegrate when it hits a small target such as vermin or a fox. Hit a shoulder on a deer and they may not penetrate the shoulder. They will send shards of metal throughout the carcass. Not ideal.

Instead I would use a monolithic expanding bullet, but on roe use something small and light - so that it expends most of its energy in the carcass, but goes in a straight line into the ground.

If you are going to use frangible bullets, then you are better off taking headshots, but heads are much further off the ground so much less of an angle and all sorts of other issues can occur.

 

[Anser anser]

There is frangible and frangible. A frangible bullet is designed to disintegrate when it hits a small target such as vermin or a fox. Hit a shoulder on a deer and they may not penetrate the shoulder. They will send shards of metal throughout the carcass. Not ideal.

Instead I would use a monolithic expanding bullet, but on roe use something small and light - so that it expends most of its energy in the carcass, but goes in a straight line into the ground.

If you are going to use frangible bullets, then you are better off taking headshots, but heads are much further off the ground so much less of an angle and all sorts of other issues can occur.

Agreed regarding neck/head shots hence the high seats getting put in place to improve the overall shooting angle.

 

[pete evans]

70g ballistic tip has been good through my 243 shot loads of roe head and chest

 

[big ears]

Contact Vern at Virtus precision he will sort you out.
Had a similar issue in my 6.5 and the ospreys are now my chosen bullet.

You will be shooting copper not lead though

 

[Cyres]

75grn v max and the ranges your talking about neck shoot them.
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[PEA]

Personally I've used 87grn vmax running at 2797fps on deer with good effect. I have shot deer through the shoulder with no issues apart from loss of meat due to damage.

 

[JeffreyL]

70gn Nosler ballistic tips are the dogs danglies, hence there are none in the country!!