Scottish grouse bill – where we are now

[Conor O'Gorman]

 

[NullMac]

What about SSPCA bringing prosecutions ??

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

What about SSPCA bringing prosecutions ??

Expanded SSPCA powers will go ahead - the amendment was voted against.

 

[NullMac]

Expanded SSPCA powers will go ahead - the amendment was voted against.

Bugger

 

[mudman]

The gloating from Ruth Tingay and her acolytes is beyond painful.

They have won, we have lost. It was not THE battle, which is sure to come, but it certainly was a major battle, and we have been defeated.

 

[sh1kar]

What will be interesting is to watch the fate of Scottish grouse moors vs Yorkshire etc over the next decade and see which management practices are best for bio diversity and maintaining grouse populations as well as other moorland birds

We know the answer

S

 

[Malxwal]

A charity organization empowered to bring prosecution. Does that not just scream of what a mess Scotland is in.

 

[Deerhunter22]

Looks like they have voted through all there proposals- agenda driven Scottish Gov so not surprised one bit and of course Chris Packham had to give a comment

 

[Rake Aboot]

Giving those sspca arseholes an iota of power is a serious mistake

This will be a problem.

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

Earlier today the Scottish Parliament approved the Bill. There were 85 votes for, and 30 against, with no abstentions. It will now go forward to Royal Assent.

Despite amendments and substantial movement at earlier stages, BASC maintains its position that the bill is unworkable for gamekeepers and land managers.

Scottish grouse Bill will damage the countryside, says BASC

BASC has warned the Scottish government of the “ruinous” impact the Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill will inflict on the country’s biodiversity and rural economy.

basc.org.uk

 

[Mick9abf]

Earlier today the Scottish Parliament approved the Bill. There were 85 votes for, and 30 against, with no abstentions. It will now go forward to Royal Assent.

Despite amendments and substantial movement at earlier stages, BASC maintains its position that the bill is unworkable for gamekeepers and land managers.

Scottish grouse Bill will damage the countryside, says BASC

BASC has warned the Scottish government of the “ruinous” impact the Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill will inflict on the country’s biodiversity and rural economy.

basc.org.uk

Like everything with the SNP/Greens, the decision was made long before anyone was asked what they thought or indeed impacts considered.

I find it strange that the Scottish Government use carbon storage and the environment, whilst ignoring the actual scientific studies, to restrict Muirburn on peatland yet you can break that same type of ground and plant any amount of trees, often non native, control mountain hares and even get encouraged to do so through government grants.

When does the direct attack on pheasant shoots start using the same legislation as the bill has been carefully worded to ensure this is possible.

 

[Deerhunter22]

Like everything with the SNP/Greens, the decision was made long before anyone was asked what they thought or indeed impacts considered.

I find it strange that the Scottish Government use carbon storage and the environment, whilst ignoring the actual scientific studies, to restrict Muirburn on peatland yet you can break that same type of ground and plant any amount of trees, often non native, control mountain hares and even get encouraged to do so through government grants.

When does the direct attack on pheasant shoots start using the same legislation as the bill has been carefully worded to ensure this is possible.

Ik this is at council level but this is the madness of politics.
In my garden we have a ucaliptus. That’s not a native species and grow god knows a year. We are under a TPO in our bit and so need permission to fell anything
You know what they wanted us to replant in place of it
The same fkn tree. Madness and this kind of **** goes on higher up at gov level. Reintroducing Beavers to rivers which is detremental and already having profound affect.

So my point Being to see the kind of **** that goes on in politics doesn’t surprise me. It’s a lot of mob driven, political winning driven, agenda driven and idiots who want to be a part of some movement. When at council level you have **** like tht above and then at gov level you have this. Where a mob of people backed by folk like packham have beliefs birds of prey are being shot to save other birds with no firm evidence doesn’t surprise me.
And as you say with the Scottish Gov, the decisions are decided long before it hits a debate

 

[Rake Aboot]

I’ve looked but cannot find hard facts
Does anyone know what the requirements are going to be for my fox traps under this shitshow of a new law ?

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

I’ve looked but cannot find hard facts
Does anyone know what the requirements are going to be for my fox traps under this shitshow of a new law ?

My understanding is that the training requirements etc will cover spring traps for mammals and cage traps for birds; and that live capture fox traps and other traps are not currently covered by the Bill but there is provision to amend legislation to cover these in the future.

A detailed briefing here:

https://www.parliament.scot/-/media/files/legislation/bills/s6-bills/wildlife-management-and-muirburn-scotland-bill/introduced/accessible-policy-memorandum.pdf

A useful summary of the key changes ahead from SGA here:

Grouse moors licensed in Scotland: what does it mean for gamekeepers?

The Wildlife Management and Muirburn Bill has been passed. What do the changes mean for you?

www.scottishgamekeepers.co.uk