Labour using firearm licensing to pay for knife crime prevention

I suppose if we were paying more for firearm licensing it should come with a CCW permit to follow the re introduced pistol possession as that would definitely reduce knife crime.
 
My 2p worth. Two elements need to be checked in granting an FAC, or its renewal. Does the applicant have a criminal background and does the applicant have, as the Firearms Act requires, a "good reason". To check an applicant's criminal background would require either a Criminal Records Bureau check and/or a "Subject Access Request" with his or her local police force.

The first cost for an enhanced with barred list £38.

www.gov.uk

Check someone's criminal record as an employer

How to request a Disclosure and Barring Service (DBS) check for a potential employee: types of DBS check, how to request a check, how much it costs, how long it takes.
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The second is free.

ACRO Criminal Records Office

www.acro.police.uk www.acro.police.uk

So that's those two costed. The next is the "good reason" check. This can be done with a telephone call. From an extrapolation of what most call centres cost an outgoing call at that is about £25 which is why to notify a change of number plate on your car is charged by some insurers at that £25 cost.

Other enquires about what your neighbours think of you and whether you stand in your back garden shouting out to God to strike down King Charles, Sir Keir Starmer, Rishi Sunak or whoever or whatever aren't as far as I know now done. It used to be done by input from the local RBO (residential beat officer) or your local "neighbourhood policing team".

So in my mind the grant or renewal of an FAC and actually making the thing should even in extremis cost no more than the issue or renewal of a contemporaneous full UK passport.
 
Knife crime in the UK is centred around street dealing of drugs , our Governments i am sure knows this full well ! However they just make more stupid laws to convince the dimwhits that they they are dealing with it .
Getting rid of knives ( that will always be in every household ) is pointless ! What we should be doing is focusing on the street dealers and the recruitment of kids and their leaders / recruiters.
 
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Knife crime in the UK is centred around street dealing of drugs , our Governments i am sure knows this full well ! However they just make more stupid laws to convince the dimwhits that they they are dealing with it .
Getting rid of knives ( that will always be in every household ) is pointless ! What we should be doing is focusing on the street dealers and the recruitment of kids and their leaders / recruiters.
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Knife culture has been imported , never used to be a problem.
 
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Nickb said:
Knife culture has been imported , never used to be a problem.
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What? It bloody well did used to be. Flick knives were very widespread until they were banned back in 1959. The novel "Brighton Rock" is about a culture of razor gangs. I grew up in the mid 1960s and the carrying of knives was not at all "never used to be a problem". The "Mods" were certainly known for it. What there wasn't though back then was 24/7 news reporting and 24/7 social media and so it didn't get the coverage it does now. The last two men in the UK to be hanged were executed for a murder involving a fatal use of a single knife thrust to the heart as well as "bludgeoning".
 
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Somebody who gives a **** should just take the government to court with a Judicial Review. The Eco nutters do an excellent job with that tactic. If only there was an organisation with a fighting spirit
 
They can make legislation all they want till the cows come home it won't make one bit of difference. Social fabric has been going downhill for decades now society is broken and no amount of money being spent, programmes set up, working groups established etc etc is going to fix it.

Thankfully I think Firearm legislation is devolved in NI so I'm not sure if this applys to us over the water, alough that hasn't stopped them interfering in other devolved matters in the past so time will tell.
 
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Is "knife crime" such a bad thing? Mainly scum bags sorting out other scum bags as far as I can see.
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As the Father of a young man your statement worries me. He doesn’t carry but there are lots that do and I worry that he’ll get stuck through no fault of his own. Every year we see totally innocent youngsters stabbed by the scum bags you mention through no fault of their own and their parents are left devastated for life.
 
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That's nasty. That will result in gullible people assuming there is a connection between legal firearms owners and knife crime. Which is perhaps what they want to happen?
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Exactly as expected - make people who hold legitimate fac’s pay for something that has nothing to do with in the short term until they have the formula to get rid or drastically reduce firearms held by law worthy people 2 birds with one stone and if it goes tits up they tried to their supporters
 
long_range_rob said:
As the Father of a young man your statement worries me. He doesn’t carry but there are lots that do and I worry that he’ll get stuck through no fault of his own. Every year we see totally innocent youngsters stabbed by the scum bags you mention through no fault of their own and their parents are left devastated for life.
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Lots of knife crime is between people in the life, but many teens get 'G Checked' even though they are civilians, give the wrong answer and it can be disastrous or fatal.

It's very difficult to resolve.
 
I've had a knife in my pocket since my dad bought me one when I was about 8-years-old, he reckoned it was the handiest tool of all, and do you know what, I have never stabbed anybody. It was in my pocket all through school and technical college.
 
JTO said:
I've had a knife in my pocket since my dad bought me one when I was about 8-years-old, he reckoned it was the handiest tool of all, and do you know what, I have never stabbed anybody. It was in my pocket all through school and technical college.
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Unfortunately, a lot of people in gangs and those who involved in knife crime dont have fathers. That is one of the problems.
 
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Is "knife crime" such a bad thing? Mainly scum bags sorting out other scum bags as far as I can see.
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It very much is a problem to deerstalkers , bushcrafters , cooks etc when our Governments ban 99% of post . Pity they have no real desire to tackle the trade that creates 99% issue ( STREET DEALING OF DRUGS )
 
JTO said:
I've had a knife in my pocket since my dad bought me one when I was about 8-years-old, he reckoned it was the handiest tool of all, and do you know what, I have never stabbed anybody. It was in my pocket all through school and technical college.
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Same here.
 
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