Burglary and police removing my guns

[Liveonce]

mixed views on this, can understand the FEO do not want the guns to be stolen or used against those living in the home or against the burglars, then what about the OPs civil liberties? As always we are expected to yield and comply because the police just give a crime report number for burglaries and contact your insurance.

Think if they really wanted the guns they would on the second occasion have come through the front door with a sledgehammer, think George Digweed.

 

[TDShamwari]

To summarise,
You get burgled, following which you are instructed to move your firearms out of your home for a few months.
You subsequently suffer an attempted break in/ unsuccessful burglary or home invasion and you are instructed to again remove your firearms from the house until the end of April or have your firearms certs revoked and your property confiscated.
Is there anything concrete to indicate that the 2 incidents are related?
I think I would be contacting my shooting organisation’s legal department. I would also request a formal written copy of the instruction to once again remove the firearms from the premises for a defined period of time or have my certs revoked along with an explanation as to why this action is appropriate and a legal basis for the decision
This is pure victim blaming.

The burglar took my keys to my Land Rover and house in November. On the cctv footage from a couple of days ago they walked straight up to my front door with the old keys and tried the front door. luckily I had changed all of the locks in the house and on the car already. I had also installed CCTV with floodlights at the side and back of the house and a burglar alarm internally. Even with these changes and the addition of the ring doorbell it didn't seem to deter them from trying. I'm not sure what more I can do to deter them.

The security cabinet is locked behind a wardrobe door which was not tampered with during the first robbery. I don't think that they know about the guns or where they are stored. My guess is that they came back three months later with the intention of robbing the items that we have replaced with the insurance money.

 

[Liveonce]

The burglar took my keys to my Land Rover and house in November. On the cctv footage from a couple of days ago they walked straight up to my front door with the old keys and tried the front door. luckily I had changed all of the locks in the house and on the car already. I had also installed CCTV with floodlights at the side and back of the house and a burglar alarm internally. Even with these changes and the addition of the ring doorbell it didn't seem to deter them from trying. I'm not sure what more I can do to deter them.

The security cabinet is locked behind a wardrobe door which was not tampered with during the first robbery. I don't think that they know about the guns or where they are stored. My guess is that they came back three months later with the intention of robbing the items that we have replaced with the insurance money.

Then tell the FEO, they need to give you in writing why you need to remove your guns from the property, you will then on receipt do so by putting them with an RFD, whilst you consider legal action against the Police to recover your costs of storage and loss of use.

your property is no more a risk than that of virtually all gun owners.

 

[TDShamwari]

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[VSS]

I would edit your post #24 if I were you, @TDShamwari.
There's enough info in this thread for anyone who's in the know to identify you, and now you've just given out when your house is likely to be empty for a week.

 

[Dunwaters]

The burglar took my keys to my Land Rover and house in November. On the cctv footage from a couple of days ago they walked straight up to my front door with the old keys and tried the front door. luckily I had changed all of the locks in the house and on the car already. I had also installed CCTV with floodlights at the side and back of the house and a burglar alarm internally. Even with these changes and the addition of the ring doorbell it didn't seem to deter them from trying. I'm not sure what more I can do to deter them.

The security cabinet is locked behind a wardrobe door which was not tampered with during the first robbery. I don't think that they know about the guns or where they are stored. My guess is that they came back three months later with the intention of robbing the items that we have replaced with the insurance money.

Were you required to remove your firearms from your home after the first robbery?

 

[hendrix's rifle]

The burglar took my keys to my Land Rover and house in November. On the cctv footage from a couple of days ago they walked straight up to my front door with the old keys and tried the front door. luckily I had changed all of the locks in the house and on the car already. I had also installed CCTV with floodlights at the side and back of the house and a burglar alarm internally. Even with these changes and the addition of the ring doorbell it didn't seem to deter them from trying. I'm not sure what more I can do to deter them.

The security cabinet is locked behind a wardrobe door which was not tampered with during the first robbery. I don't think that they know about the guns or where they are stored. My guess is that they came back three months later with the intention of robbing the items that we have replaced with the insurance money.

Organised crime groups will be who are targeting you and they will 100 percent be doing it for the vehicles you have. They aren't bothered about any precautions taken (CCTV, alarms, locks) and generally aren't interested in violence, they just want the keys. Leave them out somewhere obvious.

It's probably also worth mentioning these groups are extremely difficult to get a grip of. If I was in your position, I'd bet lodging my firearms with an RFD because they will come back.

Get rid of your range rover, it ain't worth the agro.

 

[Tazz]

Just thinking outside the box…………… why don’t the police catch the burglars

Have you been drinking ?

 

[Tazz]

The truly sad part in this is that the whole focus is on security options for the guns rather than the burglary and catching the offenders

 

[TDShamwari]

Were you required to remove your firearms from your home after the first robbery?

yes, I removed the guns for 6 weeks or so. They did not gain access this time as the locks were changed. The security has been beefed up so I don't see the need to remove the guns.

 

[Smellydog]

Why oh why do we tolerate this scum....

 

[Dunwaters]

yes, I removed the guns for 6 weeks or so. They did not gain access this time as the locks were changed. The security has been beefed up so I don't see the need to remove the guns.

Neither do I.
The security was adequate in both cases.

 

[FoxAndDeer]

It sounds like the police have concluded that your house is likely a target for break in.

The police have no idea control of your shooting activities - and there's nothing wrong with coming home in the middle of the night from foxing, and the burglars break in when you're there gun in hand.

I personally don't think it's a crazy suggestion from the police - but as others have said would challenge the legal basis for them trying to force you to do it.

For what its worth - were I in your position, with a property burglars wanted to break into, and a gang who don't care that I'm home while they do it, and regularly coming home middle of the night foxing - I'd move the guns. If I'm home from foxing, rifle and ammo to hand, while they break in - not a situation I'd like to be in. I would just get them out of there.

 

[Smellydog]

For what its worth - were I in your position, with a property burglars wanted to break into, and a gang who don't care that I'm home while they do it, and regularly coming home middle of the night foxing - I'd move the guns. If I'm home from foxing, rifle and ammo to hand, while they break in - not a situation I'd like to be in. I would just get them out of there.

I'd bust their freaking heads!

 

[jcalleja91]

Don't challenge anything, you'll lose.

As others have said, comply with the request.

It is EXTREMELY rare to be targeted twice by burglars. They're not after the cars as they either would have gone first time or they wouldn't have gone straight to the front door the second time.. and even then 95% of the time they clone the remote and steal cars without keys nowadays so wouldn't need the keys.

I could ask a hundred questions, but im guessing by the fact you havent already stated what was actually taken, you dont wish to tell a load of strangers on the internet, which is fine. So reading between the lines of you mentioning items replaced on insurance, I'm assuming they were pretty expensive, in which case it is probable they returned for these.

However, it is entirely reasonable to also assume they did see the gun safe and/or have seen you returning to the address with firearms.

As a responsible gun owner you should be doing everything possible to prevent them getting into the wrong hands and as such my only advice would be to do as you've been asked. Failure to do so would easily be enough to revoke your license.

Unfortunately, most of these crimes nowadays aren't committed by people after a quick buck to feed a drug habit. They're organised and professional. They know all about forensics, wear face coverings making CCTV pretty much redundant and will have a planned route out to avoid any responding police in the event theyre rumbled. So to simply say "catch them" is incredibly nieve.

It requires either them making a mistake or incredibly good fortune to catch them.

If/when that happens, they then typically get prosecuted for a whole series of burglaries that they can link them too by various means....

And then they get let out of Prison early and the cycle starts again.

 

[Jim Hutton]

I was told that it’s likely that if burglars know you have guns they would give you a wide berth. Similarly if they find guns in the house during a burglary they would hot foot it away as they don’t want any added risk.

 

[jcalleja91]

I'd bust their freaking heads!

And should your FEO see this - goodbye SGC/FAC.

 

[DVS1]

One other angle here is if they were to gain access and then threaten your family members in order for you to hand over your firearms etc etc.

Tough position to be in and you would like to think the local forces would be lying in wait but we all know the reality of their manpower etc etc.

Hope all works out in the end mate

 

[jcalleja91]

I was told that it’s likely that if burglars know you have guns they would give you a wide berth. Similarly if they find guns in the house during a burglary they would hot foot it away as they don’t want any added risk.

Yes - unless they're there specifically targetting guns.

I've seen them (criminals) put the rear of a stolen pick up through someone's house, exactly where their firearms safe was, and disappear with it in another vehicle.

 

[Smellydog]

@MarinePMI can you please proof read this and tell me if I've imagined it or not?
Because if I haven't imagined it I'm gonna throw up!