SGA lead free ammo survey results

[Leec6.5]

I have spent 2 decade’s trying to educate and help others to reload copper projectiles, I am neither in 1 or the other camp, both work, both are toxic in their own ways and personally I don’t give a monkeys which way the argument goes!

I’ve got enough powder and bullets to keep me going until I’ve had enough, I’ve given up shouting about either or, I’ll let you lot continuously go around in circles like you have been doing quite well enough without me

In my honest opinion, those who have stocked up suitably I would just carry on the way you are under the radar and stop posting about it therefore if you are not posting about it, there’s no argument to be had with anyone and let those who wish to bang on the drum and stir the pot carry on!

 

[Edinburgh Rifles]

Totally agree Ed, how long have you been using lead?

its the 5yrs studying in Liverpool and the Red wine that’s caused the loss of brain cells…

 

[Ratel]

its the 5yrs studying in Liverpool and the Red wine that’s caused the loss of brain cells…

Well it certainly wasn't the lead in Liverpool, that had all been knicked before your time.

 

[palmer_mike]

its the 5yrs studying in Liverpool and the Red wine that’s caused the loss of brain cells…

Hmm, you are aware that a significant risk of lead contamination can come from Red wine?

 

[Edinburgh Rifles]

Hmm, you are aware that a significant risk of lead contamination can come from Red wine?

Yes
i stopped eating the foil off the top when I found out
They were giving me hangovers

 

[LuckyEddie]

The only way this will ever be settled is by everyone getting tested for lead

I got done about 2012 as part of my work involved checking progress on grit blasting lead paint on old bridges (was involved a long time back on the Forth and then the Borders line).

Doc said I had one of the cleanest results he’d seen in a while.

So lead in my parents water pipes and then solder used for copper pipes when they renovated in 1972.
Nipped up lead weights when fishing, in my younger years, for at least 15 years.
Shot an air rifle for 40 years and frequently put pellets in my mouth.
Eaten game shot with the air rifle as well as pheasants handed in by friendly keepers my dad knew.
Eaten deer shot with lead since 2010.
Picked, eaten and made cordials from cherries and brambles picked from the roadside in the 70s
Then work related exposure from grit blasting to using detonators with lead legs for line protection on the railway.

Not a note of concern about lead levels.

I wish I could compare my lead levels to those living near old mine workings to see the difference.

Would also be interesting to see how many on the SD have been checked for lead levels and how many have been advised the level is high?

 

[Freeforester]

If thats the case, you willing to participate in a study where you will have a diet of game that is known to be contaminated with lead fragment for a month and have your blood tested at several points this period?

Before answering please read the paper I posted above and explain why lead levels in the blood in pigs fed lead contaminated meat went up significantly.

Even more so please explain how you explain the significant rise in lead blood levels in the population of German hunters and game meat eaters studied in the paper below, if lead is not dissolved and then passes through the gut blood / membrane.

Influence of Ingestion of Game Meat on Blood Concentration of Lead in Southern Germany: A Pilot Study - PMC

Consumption of game meat may exert additional lead exposure with potential health risks. The purpose of the present pilot study was to determine blood lead concentration in game meat and no game meat consumers in southern Germany. Concentration of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Or just discard the head after you’ve shot the animal there, or if you’re unable to select a bullet which does not fragment as suggested or suffer from an inability to discern which meat pieces have been shot through.

 

[Smellydog]

and let those who wish to bang on the drum and stir the pot carry on!

Exposing irrationality and discriminating prejudice is never a waste of time.

 

[Leec6.5]

Exposing irrationality and discriminating prejudice is never a waste of time.

The argument will go one way or the other, for me I’ll just tinkle along and do what I do, you can take over and make all the noise you want because I’m not caring which way it goes I can do both flavours.

One thing I’ve learnt over the years is, you can make a lot of noise you can stamp your feet. You can kick the bucket throw toys out of the pram whatever you wish to call it, but the powers will be will do whatever they want to do and there’s bugger all you can say or do about it!

 

[Tim.243]

I have spent 2 decade’s trying to educate and help others to reload copper projectiles, I am neither in 1 or the other camp, both work, both are toxic in their own ways and personally I don’t give a monkeys which way the argument goes!

I’ve got enough powder and bullets to keep me going until I’ve had enough, I’ve given up shouting about either or, I’ll let you lot continuously go around in circles like you have been doing quite well enough without me

In my honest opinion, those who have stocked up suitably I would just carry on the way you are under the radar and stop posting about it therefore if you are not posting about it, there’s no argument to be had with anyone and let those who wish to bang on the drum and stir the pot carry on!

You said " I am coming out" whatever that is!
Que Music

 

[cjm1066]

All those worried about non toxic bullets ricocheting haven't lived.

The 22" rimfire is brilliant for ricochets, with lead bullets.

 

[levigsp]

What EU members ?
Rejected what ban?
There are plenty of EU states with the same controls on the use of lead on public land.

Huge amount of hunters on the continent are moving to non lead without any sort of legislation

did you read my whole post ?

 

[Leec6.5]

All those worried about non toxic bullets ricocheting haven't lived.

The 22" rimfire is brilliant for ricochets, with lead bullets.

They all bounce if the ground is hard enough

 

[palmer_mike]

Yes
i stopped eating the foil off the top when I found out
They were giving me hangovers

It’s not just the foil on top that’s been found to be a problem. Apparently contamination in the wine itself is an issue.

 

[levigsp]

If thats the case, you willing to participate in a study where you will have a diet of game that is known to be contaminated with lead fragment for a month and have your blood tested at several points this period?

Before answering please read the paper I posted above and explain why lead levels in the blood in pigs fed lead contaminated meat went up significantly.

Even more so please explain how you explain the significant rise in lead blood levels in the population of German hunters and game meat eaters studied in the paper below, if lead is not dissolved and then passes through the gut blood / membrane.

Influence of Ingestion of Game Meat on Blood Concentration of Lead in Southern Germany: A Pilot Study - PMC

Consumption of game meat may exert additional lead exposure with potential health risks. The purpose of the present pilot study was to determine blood lead concentration in game meat and no game meat consumers in southern Germany. Concentration of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

So, let me try and explain something. Statistics can and do lie or mislead. EG on paper a human can easily live of a diet of house bricks and water! now common sense[ for those who have it] tell you its not possible.
For 40 years I have not bought meat, I rear or shoot what I eat and a huge % is game shot with lead.
I have had my blood screened 3 times in the past 10 years including for lead.
I have had three biopsies and each has been tested.
Was lead found, yes at below normal levels, but also chloride and fluoride at higher levels!
So if you like to read and believe papers that say, maybe, could, possible etc, you would be better placed reading this and asking why I have no issue with lead in my body [the government say I should have] and I have an issue with fluoride etc[the government say I shouldn't have]
Perhaps we should all ask why we as adults are being poisoned on a daily basis with our water supplies, water that cannot keep fish alive? and yet being told lead shot and bullets are not safe.
In 100 years people will read how easily the public of Great Britain were conned.

 

[nun_hunter]

Unfortunately I have to cut a lot of meat out because this stupid country mandates such powerful rifles be used on deer putting huge demands on a bullets ability to not shatter.

Or don't use an antique firearm and just use non lead bullets and not worry about it at all

 

[Smellydog]

Or don't use an antique firearm and just use non lead bullets and not worry about it at all

Respectfully the type of firearms I wish to choose is my choice and no one else's.
Also, I am not worried at all because I will carry on just the same.

 

[Smellydog]

The argument will go one way or the other, for me I’ll just tinkle along and do what I do, you can take over and make all the noise you want because I’m not caring which way it goes I can do both flavours.

One thing I’ve learnt over the years is, you can make a lot of noise you can stamp your feet. You can kick the bucket throw toys out of the pram whatever you wish to call it, but the powers will be will do whatever they want to do and there’s bugger all you can say or do about it!

The argument will run yes. The real underlying reason being no constitution supporting freedom of choice and being subjects to a corrupt system of governance.

 

[nun_hunter]

Respectfully the type of firearms I wish to choose is my choice and no one else's.
Also, I am not worried at all because I will carry on just the same.

I totally agree hence the emojis.

Lead ban or not I am sure people will carry on doing what they want where it concerns them.

The (inevitable) ban will go some small way to protecting those who wish to eat game meat but have no control of the shooting of it but can control where/who they purchase it from and ensure it is lead free.

Hopefully there will be caveats and dispensations for small calibres and antique/heritage firearms so that they can be continued to be used as intended.

 

[Heym SR20]

So, let me try and explain something. Statistics can and do lie or mislead. EG on paper a human can easily live of a diet of house bricks and water! now common sense[ for those who have it] tell you its not possible.
For 40 years I have not bought meat, I rear or shoot what I eat and a huge % is game shot with lead.
I have had my blood screened 3 times in the past 10 years including for lead.
I have had three biopsies and each has been tested.
Was lead found, yes at below normal levels, but also chloride and fluoride at higher levels!
So if you like to read and believe papers that say, maybe, could, possible etc, you would be better placed reading this and asking why I have no issue with lead in my body [the government say I should have] and I have an issue with fluoride etc[the government say I shouldn't have]
Perhaps we should all ask why we as adults are being poisoned on a daily basis with our water supplies, water that cannot keep fish alive? and yet being told lead shot and bullets are not safe.
In 100 years people will read how easily the public of Great Britain were conned.

great for you. You have high levels of lead in your blood. Wonderful. You probably will die with those high levels of lead in your blood. Hopefully fir you, you will do so nice and peacefully.

However, not everyone will be so lucky. High levels of lead in yoyr blood, substantially increases the likelihood of nasty disease. So does smoking, poor diets and many other things.

Crack on eating lead - its a free country. But if you do develop leaukaemia, or small cell lung cancer etc, please do remember to point your elevated levels of lead in your blood to your oncologist, and point them towards the work being done at MD Anderson Cancer Clinic in Houston, Durham University and in the Netherlands on treatments for cancer removing lead from your body.