Think you touched a nerve or >2 there Tim.I should think, like everywhere, there are parts of Northumberland that are different from other parts.
I mean, blimey, there's parts of south Wales where the dog lads will not only carry out pest control for free, but they'll do it without even asking
I expect there are parts of Northumberland just like that. But mostly I've only been to the more genteel bits.
The thing is both you and him think you know everything, but you don't.Think you touched a nerve or >2 there Tim.
By you talk some sh&te , he could play football but not a great shot.The only decent shot from that county was Jack Charlton he would have shown these chancers a thing or two Tim
Last summer.When was that ? 20 years ago
It doesn't work that way. Something special is not the same as something mundane. Mentalities have nothing to do with it.
With respect to you Connor it would seem over 80 % on here disagree with you , but then as one of your fan boys said earlier there’s a lot of ostriches aroundWhat a car crash of a poll but some interesting and sensible comments arising from it nonetheless. Some questions/comments of my own as follows:
Are you happy with the lead ban and bascs handling / lack of consultation
Firstly, in your opening post to introduce your poll where did you get the "BASC thinks we're all happy" statement from? At best you have misunderstood one of my comments in another thread, at worst you deliberately made this up. Which is it? Your intro is misinformed and vexatious.
Secondly, the title of the thread is different to the title of the poll, which causes confusion.
Thirdly, you have combined several separate topics into one question with a binary yes/no outcome which is unfortunate and when challenged on this very early on by SD members after you published this poll you have not taken that on board as you could have quickly modified the poll to a simple yes/no on 'the lead ban' and left BASC out of it. Or focused on BASC and been clear what aspect of BASC's opposition to the HSE proposals you were referring to.
Or did you mean BASC's response to the lead restrictions decision by the government announced for 2029? Or something else?
What is the 'lack of consultation' you are on about? There was a call for evidence and two consultations during the 3 year HSE review. BASC pushed hard on these, including on this forum. Or are you possibly referring to the voluntary transition away from lead shot for live quarry encouraged by nine organisations which is a completely different topic. There are so many permutations to your poll it is unreal. And yet you have the audacity to tag me earlier in this thread pointing to the early results as some kind of immature 'ha ha I told you so' lesson. If anyone needs a lesson it is perhaps yourself needing some online courses on polling.
Finally, your inclusion of BASC for this poll is strange, not least from a self-proclaimed SGA member, given that the SGA has not stated anything about fighting the 'lead ban' so far as I can see. Perhaps you could clarify this?
BASC technical reports during the HSE review secured exemptions for lead airgun pellets and lead rifle ammunition for smaller calibres and BASC's response to the governments announcement was that it would be lobbying for .243 to be included in the smaller calibres exemption and a longer transition time.
Rather than directing your frustrations onto me/BASC on this forum perhaps ask your own organisation what they plan on doing about the 'lead ban'. Or perhaps start a new similarly nonsense poll entitled "Who’s happy with the lead ban and sgas handling of it?" Plenty of SGA members on here, should be an interesting result.
Most of the UK shooting organisations and several thousand shooters had input to the HSE review. Most of the EU hunting organisations and several hundred hunters had input to the ECHA review. Now its a matter of when not if various restrictions take effect in the British Isles and mainland Europe.
As regards the restrictions planned for England, Wales and Scotland for 2029, a Defra briefing and draft regulations are here:
UK REACH restriction for lead in ammunition, 27 June 2025
Decision on a restriction proposal for lead in ammunition under UK REACH, including a draft amendment.www.gov.uk
how is the sand ?Disagree with what? Let's start from the start. In your opening post to introduce your poll where did you get the "BASC thinks we're all happy" statement from?With respect to you Connor it would seem over 80 % on here disagree with you , but then as one of your fan boys said earlier there’s a lot of ostriches around
conor will not see this but did that not originate from conor ?
If that's your smoking gun for the poll intro "Here we go gents seeing as basc think we’re all happy let’s do a poll and see …." then keep probing please for a better offering to explain the reasoning for your misleading poll intro. And as you bring it up you might perhaps answer the question "What is the BASC virtue signalling you find sickening?" and then perhaps we can move onto the long list of other questions.I don't see that day to day in communication with members on myriad issues and as for lead ammunition there have not been many queries whether to me, or my colleagues and that is also the case at shows and events. I appreciate there are a few forum members with strong views on moving away from lead ammunition and whilst they are entitled to their views they are not mainstream views, albeit the sheer volume of their comments may make it appear otherwise. What is the BASC virtue signalling you find sickening?
There you go Connor seems the “ mainstream “ aren’t happy
I didn’t say I found bascs virtue signaling sickening Connor that was your reply to another forum member , do you now agree that you don’t think people are unhappy with basc as you stated ? I don’t find it misleading at all in fact I find it very straightforward as do the other 80 % because 80 % isn’t a “ few “
So are the 80% unhappy with the lead ban or unhappy with BASC's performance?
I didn't say that you said that. This is what happens when you pluck things out of context and your jumping to false conclusions seem to be the common denominator in all of this sorry mess. Perhaps you could acknowledge that you misinterpreted what I wrote and then we can move onto the rest of this sorry mess of your own making.
Both
How can you tell?
Connor please stop with the deflection it’s embarrassing, I didn’t misinterpret anything you said what you said you’re just cherry picking and deflecting to make yourself look better , as for the mess I think you’ll find the makers of that are based at Marford mill old boy
