Interesting article on 243, BASC magazine

https://Immersive-optics.com/
Ratel said:
Nit picking Conor doesn't do anybody any good. Has anybody done any research on shooting estates to see if the ingestion of steel pellets, or bismuth as grit has any detrimental effect on birds. I'll bet they haven't.
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Alternatives to lead shot are being used by wildfowlers in the UK for decades and overseas by hunters worldwide. Various research has been done and will continue to be carried out and arguing against science that dates back a century on the toxic impacts of lead shot on birds with 'what ifs' on the alternatives is a futile and even damaging argument against the continued use of lead shot for live quarry shooting. Here is some research:

Effects of Ingested Tungsten-Bismuth-Tin Shot on Captive Mallards​


We conclude that TBT shot presents virtually no potential for acute intoxication in mallards under the conditions of our study.

Acute toxicity of lead, steel and an iron-tungsten-nickel shot to mallard ducks​


There were no significant morphologic or histopathologic abnormalities of the liver and kidney in the H-S and steel shot groups. Results indicated that mallards dosed orally with eight No. 4 H-S pellets were not adversely affected over a 30-day period, and that H-S provides another environmentally safe nontoxic shot for use in waterfowl hunting.
 
Conor O'Gorman said:
Firstly, neither I nor BASC support a lead ban. Secondly, as a fellow Viz reader surely you can do better than that as regards pointless satire? It might be time to wheel out some AI generated satire based on trawling the misinformation and ridiculous comments on this forum. Mind you Comrade Smellydog might try to have me locked up in some Gulag for doing so.
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1757361221897.webpYou’ll be familiar with this chap then 😉
 
enfieldspares said:
I don't support any ban on any calibre lead bullets for shooting cloven footed game be that 6mm, .27", 7mm, .30" or whatever diameter bore. Nor do I support a ban on lead buckshot and lead slug for 12 bore shotguns used under the "crofter exemption".

Yet as others have said there are alternatives of eighty grain weight non-lead that can be used in the 6mm bores that contributors here have proven are stable in flight, accurate on arrival and terminal in the execution they deliver.

Now, as I have said, there appear no alternatives to lead shot loaded cartridges in .22" Rimfire shotguns and 9mm Rimfire shotguns. Yet when I have asked if you would propose and exemption for these you have dismissed such.

Can we but guess that within the curtilage of Marford Mill there are more people that own rifles in .243 Winchester than own .22" and 9mm Rimfire shotguns? Because whilst you support one exemption but oppose the other I suggest it does seem like that.

Does BASC support or not (or will it lobby for an exemption) the ban on the use of lead buckshot and lead slug in 12 bore shotguns used under the "crofter exemption"?
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Again, multipe times, you have not answered my question. Let's try yet again for the umpeeth time. Does your organisation support a ban on the use of lead shot for clay pigeon shooting?
 
Conor O'Gorman said:
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And if you ever shot a deer with a .243" Winchester, as I have, you will know that being a hyper velocity projectile at over 3,000fps when leaving the muzzle it is will usually spread lead shards far more widely into the animal than a large calibre bullet of much more moderate velocity.

And for what it is worth the haunch being traceable came from a farmed enclosed herd of deer that are head shot. But seeing if you want to personalise the discussion maybe you're one that talks so much out of the back of their neck that don't even now know an arse from an elbow.
 
Smellydog said:
You've lobbied to have me silenced plenty.

Re 243 and BASC, I couldn't care less.
243 will be exempt anyway, it was revealed to me a couple of years ago.
Air gun pellets also before your gang did any lobbying for which your gang likes to take credit for.
It's been used as a bargaining chip so organisations like yours gain psuedo credits from the blinded masses.
You scratch their backs , they scratch yours and the minions pay for your jolly days out.
Win win hey... Conor.
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You claim "you've lobbied to have me silenced plenty". That's not true. Please evidence your assertion to prove me wrong. And let's remind folk that you have campaigned on here for "somebody [to] shut the voice of shooting up" and that is perhaps ironic coming from a chap who regularly rants about freedom of choice and rallies against communism and dictatorships - but when your world view is challenged off you run to get your censorship jack boots on to shut people up.
 
enfieldspares said:
And if you ever shot a deer with a .243" Winchester, as I have, you will know that being a hyper velocity projectile at over 3,000fps when leaving the muzzle it is will usually spread lead shards far more widely into the animal than a large calibre bullet of much more moderate velocity.

And for what it is worth the haunch being traceable came from a farmed enclosed herd of deer that are head shot. But seeing if you want to personalise the discussion maybe you're one that talks so much out of the back of their neck that don't even now know an arse from an elbow.
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This advice from FACE might help mitigate the risks that you acknowledge may exist for your children from eating game meat that may be contaminated from your use of lead ammo.

Guidance on managing risks from lead ammunition | European Federation for Hunting and Conservation

www.leadammunitionguidance.com www.leadammunitionguidance.com
 
Smellydog said:
Just 30days...🤣

Just how many shot pellets, lead, can a wild mallard pick up in a 30 day period?

If you can answer that I'll eat my shorts!
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Again, denial in the face of science. I get the same with the antis on all sorts - set in their views regardless of the evidence - and it's a bit dissapointing to get the same off some shooters like yourself - but it's just the way it is these days in society - and you are just another example of the wider problem.
 
Conor O'Gorman said:
Again, denial in the face of science. I get the same with the antis on all sorts - set in their views regardless of the evidence - and it's a bit dissapointing to get the same off some shooters like yourself - but it's just the way it is these days in society - and you are just another example of the wider problem.
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What are the minutes on lead confidential?
 
Conor O'Gorman said:
This advice from FACE might help mitigate the risks that you acknowledge may exist for your children from eating game meat that may be contaminated from your use of lead ammo.

Guidance on managing risks from lead ammunition | European Federation for Hunting and Conservation

www.leadammunitionguidance.com www.leadammunitionguidance.com
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Thank you. It is something that I practice and keep very much to mind.

We, you and I, may have to accept that we must agree to disagree on other matters. But not on this above advice that you have kindly shared.

It is much appreciated to take the time to share the link to that advice.
 
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