"All Gun licences to be digitised under new Palantir deal to run national firearms database"

[Mumm-Ra The Ever Living]

I think the current system needs an overhaul and should be digital.

My concern is purely down to Palantir been awarded it, given the privacy, security and ethical concerns regarding them, there is already an increasing concern around them having access to NHS patient data.

Palantir wins £9M contract to run UK firearms licensing: CIA-backed biz to hold gun, bomb, and poison records

Pips Accenture and NEC to bag decade-long deal for cops across England, Wales, and beyond

www.theregister.com

Palantir manifesto described as ‘ramblings of a supervillain’ amid UK contract fears

Alarm caused by posts of Alex Karp, tech firm’s CEO, championing US military dominance and of AI weapons

www.theguardian.com

 

[Mike1979]

I think we are alot more vetted than you would know
Every metric of your life was checked to get your license I think
But as you say you get what I mean

I think it’s as safe as it can be without Banning them and what frustrates me is the the bans in certain gun types etc was all Police Fault not a licensing system and law fault

Anyways best not get too political as you say

The whole system is f****d might be a better way of putting it

 

[Making holes in things]

Just seen this in today's times. All 43 police forces have signed up.

Is this going to be a positive move? The first I've heard of this!

A very bad idea, in fact I see it as treason by our bought and paid for crime syndicate running the UK.

Who here wants the whole world to know, what guns you have in your house and what your address is, I do not.

The moment this stuff is loaded on a "secure" internet connected database, it is in the public domain. "Secure" on the internet ("cloud"), what a joke. Nothing on the internet is secure for long before it is hacked . . . . . or released/leaded on purpose, by someone with an agenda against our interests. Think back at the number of times the TV or rags (newspapers), reported how a baddie .... the current baddie we are told we should hate, hacked so-and-so system. Or an "outsourced" employee, sold the data. That data can also be changed by the powers-who-aught-not-be, good luck trying to tell the human drone working for the 'government', there is a mistake.

I am a prime example of where we are heading, I am already there. I have been banned for life from eBay. I am not allowed to know why and I am not allowed to appeal. I have only bought things from eBay, never sold anything, and never had a problem with any seller or the items I received. One day many years ago (I would say more than 10 years ago) when I wanted to buy something, I got a message I am banned. When I contacted them to say there is a mistake, the drone I was dealing with "investigated" my case and then informed me I am banned for life, because I am a "danger to their community" !?! I am not allowed to know the reason for my ban. I thought at the start of this year enough time has passed and they may have fixed the mistake on their side, but no, again a human drone informed me after it "investigated" my case, I am really banned for life. People who commit murder get out after a couple of years. So for me, Amazon it is.

If one looks into who owns Palantir, statements they have made over the years and things they support and fund, these are not good people. We are screwed if this is allowed to go ahead. All our data and I mean all of it (this, NHS data, etc,) in the hands of one company and a group of one-world-government self entitled rulers who are not British and with no accountability, does anybody really believe they are not going to at some point abuse their access to all our personal data ? In my opinion, it is a sure thing.

 

[Making holes in things]

I think the current system needs an overhaul and should be digital.

My concern is purely down to Palantir been awarded it, given the privacy, security and ethical concerns regarding them, there is already an increasing concern around them having access to NHS patient data.

Palantir wins £9M contract to run UK firearms licensing: CIA-backed biz to hold gun, bomb, and poison records

Pips Accenture and NEC to bag decade-long deal for cops across England, Wales, and beyond

www.theregister.com

Palantir manifesto described as ‘ramblings of a supervillain’ amid UK contract fears

Alarm caused by posts of Alex Karp, tech firm’s CEO, championing US military dominance and of AI weapons

www.theguardian.com

Who is going to develop the IT systems, India. I worked in IT here in the UK and based on what I saw, welcome to a multiple times over budget, bug ridden, secure like an open barn door, delivered (if at all) years behind schedule, IT system.

 

[Making holes in things]

If only the powers-who-ought-not-be can get the gangs in the UK shooting people with illegal handguns, can get them to register their guns. But I guess putting our data on the (open for all to see) internet, is going to make us safe.

If you want to disarm a population for things to come you know they will not like, you need to know who has guns. I don't think the Nazis were the first or only group to do this to people.

 

[Making holes in things]

it does need changing, paper copies to easy to forge and hard to confirm if valid. digital database would solve this but it will involve its own problems

The choice is someone forge a bit of paper or, run this search on the internet":

"Is there a risk of digital identity theft" In this case, your life is ruined because, the human drones work on the principle 'the computer is always right'.

 

[timbrayford]

It does rather call into question why we need the archaic paper based systems that record on a 7 day lag instead of live time and 43 forces all duplicating the same job

 

[The Grouse]

Who is going to develop the IT systems, India. I worked in IT here in the UK and based on what I saw, welcome to a multiple times over budget, bug ridden, secure like an open barn door, delivered (if at all) years behind schedule, IT system.

As it's Gov based it's highly likely that it will be fairly heavily constrained, no offshoring, all those working on it only UK nationals, National Security clearances and on-prem or at least UK GEO hosting only. I would also expect due to it's nature that NCSC would be involved along the way to ensure it's up-to snuff, secure by design etc. No doubt will be still be massively late and over budget though, that's practically a given.

Whilst Palantir doesn't leave a particularly good taste in the mouth, I would expect the same or better in performance from them as I would from the other bidders. I'm going to buck the trend here and be cautiously optimistic.

 

[zambezi]

Digital ID for company directors. Digital ID for armed forces. Digital ID for new borns. Digital ID for internet access. Digital ID for FAC holders.

Digital ID.

Gated freedoms, not empowerment.

 

[rocketdogbert]

Horizon MK 2

100% this

 

[Apthorpe]

Needs to happen, but Palantir definitely should not be involved.

Why not?

 

[webley701]

You’ll upload and manage your own data. Our deer hunting licences are now online only, so are income tax returns and a few other services.
The system works well with very little backup.

Unless you don’t have a PC or similar

 

[Dunwaters]

Unless you don’t have a PC or similar

You can use your phone or call a friend.
When the system goes digital, so will you.
You won’t be given a choice.

 

[Heym SR20]

Once upon a time every six months or a year you would take a copy of your MoT, insurance and vehicle registration and stand in a queue at the post office, and then would fill in a round piece of paper with holes in its edge and stamp with an official stamp, and you would pay your licence fee. You would then go to your car and carefully tear out that disk of paper and then using a magic sticky thing then try and attach it to your car windscreen where it would stay in place on a wet rainy day your windscreen all got misted up and you had to open the windows and wipe all the condensation off and of course knocking the important little bit of paper out of window into the car slipstream and for it never to be seen again.

You will then have to go and find the receipt for the bit of paper, and go down to the post office to get another one.

These days it takes Mrs Heym less than five minutes on her iphone to renew her car tax.

And as for passports with first having to go and get passport photos…..

 

[Demetrius]

Apthorpe said "Why not..?."

Palantir - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Scroll down to Palantir Foundry, second paragraph...

D.

 

[Demetrius]

"When the system goes digital, you won't be given a choice..."

Try getting a Lidl's discount without a smartphone.....

D.

 

[MightyPlank]

Databases like this are really not hard to make or maintain. With 9 million I could easily do this without having all this sensitive data be in the hands of an absolute joke of a man like Peter Thiel. The police willingly working for company's headed up by crazy's like him is nonsensical. If they have the budget to pay a private company to do it they have the money to make a department for it. There are not enough shooters in the UK for this database to need a extremely large server to run this off. build a server for 2 mill, pay a developer to make the pretty basic software needed for this and and they can probably do it for much less than the 9 million we are paying them. No one with any sense likes Palantir and we really shouldn't be using dodgy American company's for our data. I'm so sick of IT illiterate idiots making these kind of decisions. Anyone who cant update their own computer without asking IT for help shouldn't be in the room.

 

[TringSaint]

Palantir? Really? And they think we are the risk!

 

[rocketdogbert]

Once upon a time every six months or a year you would take a copy of your MoT, insurance and vehicle registration and stand in a queue at the post office, and then would fill in a round piece of paper with holes in its edge and stamp with an official stamp, and you would pay your licence fee. You would then go to your car and carefully tear out that disk of paper and then using a magic sticky thing then try and attach it to your car windscreen where it would stay in place on a wet rainy day your windscreen all got misted up and you had to open the windows and wipe all the condensation off and of course knocking the important little bit of paper out of window into the car slipstream and for it never to be seen again.

You will then have to go and find the receipt for the bit of paper, and go down to the post office to get another one.

These days it takes Mrs Heym less than five minutes on her iphone to renew her car tax.

And as for passports with first having to go and get passport photos…..

It’s not the going digital, that is inevitable. It’s who has been given the contract that is the problem

 

[Demetrius]

Private Eye will no doubt have something to say about it eventually...

D.