.260, Overlooked?

[Bowland blades]

According to Federal they will be reloadable but you will need an additional “flaring” die to accept the bullet. Ron Spomer does a good podcast on it and makes the point that the new velocity out of an existing Creedmoor makes it on a par with the venerable .270 but with a better BC bullet!
No doubt there will be a rush for this ammo by existing Creedmoor owners - then we will find out for sure whether the additional 300 fps, presumably additional recoil and 25,000 additional pressure is sustainable….

I wont even think of buying one . I doubt it will be taken up the shooting public , the military might as they do not reload and over powering means longer range supresion fire ( no deer hunter will need that )

 

[Foxyboy43]

I wont even think of buying one . I doubt it will be taken up the shooting public , the military might as they do not reload and over powering means longer range supresion fire ( no deer hunter will need that )

Indeed but think of all those girlie types who can step into men’s shoes - finally….

 

[JonR]

Many of the more modern cartridges are marketed as an answer to a problem that older cartridges could have resolved with barrel twists and throat geometry choices better suited to new bullet designs.

 

[andyk]

Many of the more modern cartridges are marketed as an answer to a problem that older cartridges could have resolved with barrel twists and throat geometry choices better suited to new bullet designs.

Absolutely.

I would think some of the trouble with modernising existing cartridges would be the compatibility issues, so it’s probably easier to have a new cartridge. That and it is better from a marketing perspective.

 

[Foxyboy43]

The Spomer podcast…

 

[MidlandsPaperPuncher]

260 Rem has a shorter, wider freebore, and a 3 degree half angle leade on the rifling as opposed to a 1.3 degree half angle.

That makes it a pain to seat long bullets, fussy about bullet selection and jump, and factory 260 rems don't have a fast enough twist.

The only 260 rems that shoot like a creedmoor have custom chambers.

 

[BE Precision]

Totally agree. Inside of 250m the Creedmoor will certainly handle itself on any UK species. On paper it'll probably handle any UK species out to 350m - who needs more than that?

@RCS Deer Management ? Know anyone ??

 

[Keith Edmunds]

As will all any from the legal UK minimum list and Over in other nations even Elk etc are hunted with just a .223

Of course, I've owned .243, .270, .308 and 6.5CM - all do the same job. I don't think that the 6.5CM is in any way outstanding but for what I do - Fallow, Roe and Munty mainly within 250m - the Creedmoor does it very well with plenty of factory ammo choice, especially copper. If I just had one calibre, I'd probably keep the Creed or the .308 - much in a muchness really.

 

[Bowland blades]

260 Rem has a shorter, wider freebore, and a 3 degree half angle leade on the rifling as opposed to a 1.3 degree half angle.

That makes it a pain to seat long bullets, fussy about bullet selection and jump, and factory 260 rems don't have a fast enough twist.

The only 260 rems that shoot like a creedmoor have custom chambers.

Times change , My 260 was built to run copper and it has carried a 1-7.5 twist from the get go ! remember the Creed was not was not a thing and few used copper bullets . Heck a 1-8 twist was not really a thing but now .270 , 243, 223 etc etc etc Carry those faster twist . Chambers can be altered and barrels can be swapped . Pretty sure the .260rem and many more will be off the shelf fast twist.
Those who are shooting with older barrels without the faster twist rates, its only been a thing for fast twist what ? 4 years or so !

 

[Jagged77]

Both of mine are / were 1:8 twist - dating from 2012 ish. Both set up for long range though.

 

[tackb]

Times change , My 260 was built to run copper and it has carried a 1-7.5 twist from the get go ! remember the Creed was not was not a thing and few used copper bullets . Heck a 1-8 twist was not really a thing but now .270 , 243, 223 etc etc etc Carry those faster twist . Chambers can be altered and barrels can be swapped . Pretty sure the .260rem and many more will be off the shelf fast twist.
Those who are shooting with older barrels without the faster twist rates, its only been a thing for fast twist what ? 4 years or so !

Why would they launch of the shelf fast twist 260rem when it’s already covered by creedmoor with lashings of factory ammo ?

Creedmoor won by marketing and support what sort of idiot would launch an existing round that’s hardly supported when there’s a better round that’s supported and already established ?

 

[jb1]

Well I've had my 260 for year's now on its 2nd barrel. Does exactly what it's supposed to just like any of the other 6.5's
Would I change it for a different 6.5 ? No.
Why would i ?
It's still shooting well.sub moa with 140 Amax and my last tub of H4350..

 

[shakey jake]

Why would they launch of the shelf fast twist 260rem when it’s already covered by creedmoor with lashings of factory ammo ?

Creedmoor won by marketing and support what sort of idiot would launch an existing round that’s hardly supported when there’s a better round that’s supported and already established ?

I think the same sort of idiot that thinks lamping hares is illegal

 

[ShovelyG]

I find the whataboutism around chamberings a little tiresome. Hornady did a great job marketing the Creedmoor and probably succeeded in that area where others didn't.
That isn't a bad thing. If the aim was to make the 6.5 mainstream it's achieved that. The Americans weren't flocking to the Swede or other 6.5 offerings in significant numbers before the launch of the Creedmoor.

People rightly point out it doesn't do anything other 6.5 can do. However it does lots of things very well and it's highly versatile. This is evidenced by it's adoption in the US and UK military (I doubt the decision makers in the army are heavily influenced by Horandys marketing department)

Finally it has remained popular for 2 decades. Marketing will get you so far but it wouldn't have maintained the sales if it wasn't a half decent cartridge.
I do own one along with 243 both a great for what I do.

 

[ShovelyG]

One other thing - + peak is interesting development and I am sure will have the long term effect of moving the goal posts as it's rolled out to other chamberings.

I am sure I will see people on here argue that 2500 ft lbs of energy is no longer viable for some rutting species and you must have more.

The willy wagging will never end

 

[Bowland blades]

Why would they launch of the shelf fast twist 260rem when it’s already covered by creedmoor with lashings of factory ammo ?

Creedmoor won by marketing and support what sort of idiot would launch an existing round that’s hardly supported when there’s a better round that’s supported and already established ?

well I don't shoot factory and i can use any std 308 , 7-08, 243, etc etc etc. via neck expanding or open it up or full length handy to say the least in times of poor supply , I have other .308 familly rifles like the 243 and a vast amount of dies . However i do not actually like the Creed family , its not a bad design . Define how the creed betters my choice ? The creed does not send a bullet faster or kill game faster with magic or fan boy support

 

[tackb]

well I don't shoot factory and i can use any std 308 , 7-08, 243, etc etc etc. via neck expanding or open it up or full length handy to say the least in times of poor supply , I have other .308 familly rifles like the 243 and a vast amount of dies . However i do not actually like the Creed family , its not a bad design . Define how the creed betters my choice ? The creed does not send a bullet faster or kill game faster with magic or fan boy support

easy , availability of factory ammo for one

you might reload but many don't so the 260rem (i had one so i know a little about them) is realistically a reload only choice , the creedmoor is both reload and good factory feedable

in a short action the creed is better since you can seat the bullets out better whereas the 260 with the long slippery bullets take up too much case , you can remove the front plate in AICS mags to allow slightly longer col for the 260 but that faff is entirely unnecessary with the creedmoor

the creed is so popular that its unnecessary to form cases from other cases and deal with issues that creates like the doughnut thats created when necking up 243 (which at the time was the only option for quality lapua cases)

ultimately you like the 260rem and everybody else likes the creedmoor neither is wrong but one is defo more popular.............

 

[Mike1979]

well I don't shoot factory and i can use any std 308 , 7-08, 243, etc etc etc. via neck expanding or open it up or full length handy to say the least in times of poor supply , I have other .308 familly rifles like the 243 and a vast amount of dies . However i do not actually like the Creed family , its not a bad design . Define how the creed betters my choice ? The creed does not send a bullet faster or kill game faster with magic or fan boy support

I appreciate we are all entitled to our opinions but given the amount of people who own 6.5 creeds and the vast array of rifle offerings and ammunition offerings compared to the .260 ... i think that sums up the success of the calibre (or chambering for the pedantic)

I also like how everyone who doesnt own a creed has to add something sarcastic at the end of their comment. Strange that creedmoor owners dont feel the need (apart from the fun with the .270).

 

[Mungo]

I also like how everyone who doesnt own a creed has to add something sarcastic at the end of their comment. Strange that creedmoor owners dont feel the need (apart from the fun with the .270).

People who don’t have any imagination or sense of humour of their own tend to borrow what they perceive to be the popular playground insult of the day.

 

[Bowland blades]

I appreciate we are all entitled to our opinions but given the amount of people who own 6.5 creeds and the vast array of rifle offerings and ammunition offerings compared to the .260 ... i think that sums up the success of the calibre (or chambering for the pedantic)

I also like how everyone who doesnt own a creed has to add something sarcastic at the end of their comment. Strange that creedmoor owners dont feel the need (apart from the fun with the .270).

missing the point the Creed is just the same thing as the .260 and the Sweed and many more 6.5 bullet slingers around the globe that are mostly fellow peas in the same pod .
Now how many .270 clones do we see ? not much is able to tease its hardly changed from the get go , we see them on the rack from the far end of the gun shop knowing it is what it is without picking it up