.260, Overlooked?

[Mike1979]

missing the point the Creed is just the same thing as the .260 and the Sweed and many more 6.5 bullet slingers around the globe that are mostly fellow peas in the same pod .
Now how many .270 clones do we see ? not much is able to tease its hardly changed from the get go , we see them on the rack from the far end of the gun shop knowing it is what it is without picking it up

Not missing the point. May as well say the .260 is just the same thing as the creed or all the 6.5s are the same ...or all .22 centrefires are the same when they arent.

I was just making the point that if the .260 was so great and the 6.5 creed wasnt...why is it so much easier to get a 6.5 creed and loads of choice of ammo?

Ultimately all deer legal centerfire rifles do the same job and I have nothing against any of them ...just dont see the need for comments involving "magic" or "fanboy". Each to our own I suppose

 

[West5575]

Don’t you know this thread has to eventually get here

The 6.5 CM is great. It builds on knowing what those bullets can do at reasonable speeds and puts it in one of the most perfectly balanced and efficient cartridges designed for a short action rifle and introduces modern tolerances in chambering and specs to enhance accuracy.

The marketing and support is not a detriment. The support is hugely beneficial and good on Hornady for supporting their products.

I have two 6.5 Swedes, 270, several 308s, 7mag, and so on. And I just bought a Creed. Why? Because of all the above mentioned. And I can get any factory load I want and rather easily and cheaply and and it will be reasonably accurate out of the box. Also I can cut the barrel and still get the performance as the Swede.

It’s incorrect to say the Creedmoor doesn’t offer things older cartridges don’t. Those things may not matter to a particular person but they are there. And the reasons it is popular are positive characteristics not fanboy bs or just marketing.

 

[NullMac]

Did I miss something?

The sort of support Hornady gives to a new calibre.

 

[Matt234]

Well I'm sticking with my 260 rem I'm on my second barrel Steve Kershaw did all the work shoots one whole groups all day long at 100m the chambering is non-standard it's extended so I have more room in the case for powder best decision I ever made one in eight twist 129gr SST

 

[Bowland blades]

Not missing the point. May as well say the .260 is just the same thing as the creed or all the 6.5s are the same ...or all .22 centrefires are the same when they arent.

I was just making the point that if the .260 was so great and the 6.5 creed wasnt...why is it so much easier to get a 6.5 creed and loads of choice of ammo?

Ultimately all deer legal centerfire rifles do the same job and I have nothing against any of them ...just dont see the need for comments involving "magic" or "fanboy". Each to our own I suppose

They " mainly " are the same , exceptions being the very big boomers .
260 rem never failed its brief and a fair amount of folks still use it and rated it . its not something you see new on the gun shop shelf though new . THE BIG RED MACHINE on the other hand , is very, very good at the marketing side like the ELDX it works but it is just just a basic cup and core bullet , engineered to fit with the creed . Double Bubble with good timing .
The 260 is still the .260 and Remington were skint at the time and never really pushed the product . Even when the 260 was picked up by parts of USA forces they could not even hold their nose and dive in without the Cash .

 

[Mike1979]

They " mainly " are the same , exceptions being the very big boomers .
260 rem never failed its brief and a fair amount of folks still use it and rated it . its not something you see new on the gun shop shelf though new . THE BIG RED MACHINE on the other hand , is very, very good at the marketing side like the ELDX it works but it is just just a basic cup and core bullet , engineered to fit with the creed . Double Bubble with good timing .
The 260 is still the .260 and Remington were skint at the time and never really pushed the product . Even when the 260 was picked up by parts of USA forces they could not even hold their nose and dive in without the Cash .

absolutely no issues with any CF rifles...horses for courses in most cases. I have no time for marketing nonsense ... a few of my mates had 6mm and 6.5mm rifles so after a bit of discussion I made my choice and dont regret it

 

[tackb]

They " mainly " are the same , exceptions being the very big boomers .
260 rem never failed its brief and a fair amount of folks still use it and rated it . its not something you see new on the gun shop shelf though new . THE BIG RED MACHINE on the other hand , is very, very good at the marketing side like the ELDX it works but it is just just a basic cup and core bullet , engineered to fit with the creed . Double Bubble with good timing .
The 260 is still the .260 and Remington were skint at the time and never really pushed the product . Even when the 260 was picked up by parts of USA forces they could not even hold their nose and dive in without the Cash .

But it didn’t really succeed did it?

Whereas the creedmoor did succeed and to say otherwise is plain foolish

 

[Matt234]

If they hadn't screwed up the factory barrel twist rate it possibly would have been a completely different story!!

 

[tackb]

If they hadn't screwed up the factory barrel twist rate it possibly would have been a completely different story!!

But they did like the 6mm Remington which is why the 243 was a success

And no amount of bleating by the 260’s fans will change the facts of what’s happened

 

[Bowland blades]

But it didn’t really succeed did it?

Whereas the creedmoor did succeed and to say otherwise is plain foolish

For me it killing deer I find it perfect . I did not want target bullets and i haven't got the Man bun LOL

If they hadn't screwed up the factory barrel twist rate it possibly would have been a completely different story!!

Mine is built 7.5 twist , Pillar Bedded McMillan stock and Sako action . Runs on Barnes TTSX 100 and 120 It was built specifically to kill Deer not punch paper . Quite a good few folks in the Stalking world do the same .

 

[Dan Newcombe]

I’ve got a .260 and like it but when it’s replacement time it won’t be a .260 it will be a creedmoor probably.

Has anyone done an AI version yet?

 

[Treedave]

I own and use both 260 and 6.5cm on target and deer. My preference is the 260 every time. That’s despite the poor mag design on that rifle. It’s on its second barrel and it’ll get a third (possibly 260 AI). The 6.5 cm was built/bought to fill a niche (lighter weight contracting rifle for factory copper ammo). If I didn’t have the need for factory ammo I would’ve had a 260 AI running AICS mags.
I’ve not felt the need for a bigger calibre for anything I’ve shot, including larger rutting stags. I’ve not needed anymore “legs” with a 140gr bullet out to 1000m and beyond.
I don’t have the same experience with /confidence in the 6.5 cm, but that may well be the platform not the calibre.

The lack of commercial ammo is an issue if you don’t reload. I personally see that as a failing of a manufacturer, not calibre. Probably based on an accountants decision in a back room somewhere.

 

[Bowland blades]

I had a .260 rem over a creed , time line was just before the Covid hit us . I didn't and for deer / fox I still say the .260 rem is better for stalkers ! Why ? well firstly you wont be needing any longer bullets than the std length , secondly you can in times of poor supply you can neck up and down 308 right down to 243 etc ,etc .
Most my bullet choices are around what i hunt and i do not hunt paper and steel at 1000 yards ! If ever had the need / want to I hold confidence in the fact I can Place well against the majority . The only problem is .260rem is.......
cartriges is no longer off the shelf! but we shoot copper now in the field and i had the the 260 cut 1-7.5 twist from the get go for copper.

Same timeline , same 260 choice , same twist , same reasoning , Same copper switch , Packed in at Diggle sometime before Covid The 308 and its children means there is always something you can use just keep the expanders and your supply is sorted .
The Creed is in itself is pretty much sporn of the 308 family.

 

[jb1]

If I ever get my 260 re-barrelled I would leave it as 260. Simply because I have dies and 300 un opened box's of lapua cases. I had it before the CM popularity in the UK and if we're honest they both give the same results.
Takes me back to the 17 vs 22 air rifle debates.
What you have in your cabinet is better than the one you don't.

 

[Bowland blades]

I’ve got a .260 and like it but when it’s replacement time it won’t be a .260 it will be a creedmoor probably.

Has anyone done an AI version yet?

The creed however is kind of already a version of the blown out AI , Its all about the angle . Nato knew what they where at when the 308 type of case . 243 win has had the treatment and a lot of long range shooters won a lot but they where known for burning out Barrels .

 

[6pt-sika]

well I don't shoot factory and i can use any std 308 , 7-08, 243, etc etc etc. via neck expanding or open it up or full length handy to say the least in times of poor supply , I have other .308 familly rifles like the 243 and a vast amount of dies . However i do not actually like the Creed family , its not a bad design . Define how the creed betters my choice ? The creed does not send a bullet faster or kill game faster with magic or fan boy support

My sentiments exactly having owned a number of rifles and hand rifles in 260 REM . I don’t reform brass I just bit the bullet and bought several hundred nice new Lapua cases in 260 REM when Mdway had them on sale and on sale they still weren’t what I’d call inexpensive .

 

[West5575]

I don’t know what there is to “not like” about Creedmoor. Not saying someone has to sell a 260 but why in the world if buying new would you not buy the more supported cheaper to feed version. Also the big thing is the more precise chamber specs. If you like your 260 why not like the 6.5cm if buying a new rifle? Just doesn’t make sense to me. I also like my two Swedes

 

[Matt234]

Good point I suppose but brass is cheaper I just neck up 243win once fired brass which is readily available I've been using sako once fired that I picked up off this forum my goto bullet is a 129gr SST I was using nosler petition 125gr but the deer don't know the difference and the SST is considerably cheaper!

 

[West5575]

Good point I suppose but brass is cheaper I just neck up 243win once fired brass which is readily available I've been using sako once fired that I picked up off this forum my goto bullet is a 129gr SST I was using nosler petition 125gr but the deer don't know the difference and the SST is considerably cheaper!

I’m curious about your experience with the 129 sst. I have been shooting 140s in my Swedes and want to try the 129s in all my 6.5 rifles. I’ve heard they are great on deer.

 

[Matt234]

I've never had a runner always dead on the spot longest shot taken on deer 270m and the od fox longest shot 380m if my memory serves me correctly it was taken across a valley I've the ballistics app all sorted on my phone that gives me instant holdover clicks as far as the winds concerned out to 300 doesn't really matter!