Field Accuracy

So you folks actually lay on the ground to shoot a deer? Thankfully I've never had to do that.

Sharkey
 
We don't have so many nasty insects and snakes that may kill us when we crawl through the freezing mud !

Yes but you have "freezing mud". You'd get some very strange looks if you lay down on the ground to shoot at an animal down here, even if the ooglies were absent. It's a very interesting hunting/cultural difference.

We don't have that many nasties anyway. I've only been bitten by a funnel web spider twice, half a dozen times by red backs & about the same with whitetail spiders. Never been bitten by a snake, though I see lots & never been bitten by a shark, although a couple have tried during my 20 years of competitive spearfishing & twice yearly spearfishing trips into the Coral Sea (hence the nick name). You Pommies really do overplay the dangers from our wildlife.

Sharkey
 
Yes but you have "freezing mud". You'd get some very strange looks if you lay down on the ground to shoot at an animal down here, even if the ooglies were absent. It's a very interesting hunting/cultural difference.

We don't have that many nasties anyway. I've only been bitten by a funnel web spider twice, half a dozen times by red backs & about the same with whitetail spiders. Never been bitten by a snake, though I see lots & never been bitten by a shark, although a couple have tried during my 20 years of competitive spearfishing & twice yearly spearfishing trips into the Coral Sea (hence the nick name). You Pommies really do overplay the dangers from our wildlife.

Sharkey
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We only have rattle snakes, wolverines, wolves, bears, mountain lions, the occasional pi$$ed off badger, moose, or bison, and fleas. (Bubonic Plague, don't you know??) ~Muir
 
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We only have rattle snakes, wolverines, wolves, bears, mountain lions, the occasional pi$$ed off badger, moose, or bison, and fleas. (Bubonic Plague, don't you know??) ~Muir

yes but by lying down it makes it harder for other folks to shoot ya!
 
All this talk of three shot groups worrys me, the deer keep lyin down after the first shot, I think I need a fully auto to get them in.

Yes, it's strange how we tend to emphasise the ability to produce cloverleaf groups and ragged holes on targets rather than the first shot from a cold, clean barrel going where it's intended. Surely that's where we should really be striving for accuracy and confidence in your rifle?

If that first shot is awry, there's no point slinging another one down the barrel and putting it through the same hole. The original target, let alone the next one, is going to be more than 3 MOA away!
 
Yes, it's strange how we tend to emphasise the ability to produce cloverleaf groups and ragged holes on targets rather than the first shot from a cold, clean barrel going where it's intended. Surely that's where we should really be striving for accuracy and confidence in your rifle?

If that first shot is awry, there's no point slinging another one down the barrel and putting it through the same hole. The original target, let alone the next one, is going to be more than 3 MOA away!

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As in neck shot compliant.

K
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Yes, it's strange how we tend to emphasise the ability to produce cloverleaf groups and ragged holes on targets rather than the first shot from a cold, clean barrel going where it's intended. Surely that's where we should really be striving for accuracy and confidence in your rifle?

If that first shot is awry, there's no point slinging another one down the barrel and putting it through the same hole. The original target, let alone the next one, is going to be more than 3 MOA away!

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Why not a selection of targets like this? Seperate targets means no focussing on group size.
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If your shot lands within 1" of the target its 1moa (roughly). You can do all 5, take an average and that's your 5 shot group.
Always done with a cold bore from field positions.
 
Why not a selection of targets like this? Seperate targets means no focussing on group size.
View attachment 51066
If your shot lands within 1" of the target its 1moa (roughly). You can do all 5, take an average and that's your 5 shot group.
Always done with a cold bore from field positions.

if your shot lands within 1'' of the target it's a 2 moa group
 
I think the point Muir is making is that there are 2 MOA and 3 MOA rifles out there, but a good shot can get every bit out of them for hunting out to 150 and 200 yards, because he his not going to add any slop to the shot.

I would like to ask the question why?
 
Yes, it's strange how we tend to emphasise the ability to produce cloverleaf groups and ragged holes on targets rather than the first shot from a cold, clean barrel going where it's intended. Surely that's where we should really be striving for accuracy and confidence in your rifle?

If that first shot is awry, there's no point slinging another one down the barrel and putting it through the same hole. The original target, let alone the next one, is going to be more than 3 MOA away!

Not a recognised system perhaps but my practice involves one round at a target. If it hits where I want I put it away. If it doesn't then a few more need to be expended. I don't find target shooting very interesting.
 
Why not a selection of targets like this? Seperate targets means no focussing on group size.
View attachment 51066
If your shot lands within 1" of the target its 1moa (roughly). You can do all 5, take an average and that's your 5 shot group.
Always done with a cold bore from field positions.

Before any serious shooting in the field, I will shoot a rifle once, in early morning light, on the same target, for 20 or more mornings. A friend of mine, a police officer, and SWAT team leader, does the same, stopping his car on the way to work walking to a fence line, and shooting a target set up on his father's farm.

Shooting separate targets for each is also good training even not from a cold barrel. If you set up 4 or 5 of the 50 foot smallbore targets 4 or 5 feet apart at 100 yards, and shoot them offhand ( or however ), you will have to set up your feet and raise the rifle, or stand firm and hold it steady as you turn and shoot each one - builds concentration.

As to the question of why a good shot can shoot a deer easily at 200 yards with a 2 MOA rifle, he will not add 1/2 MOA of slop. And offhand shot at 150 yards with a 1.5 MOA rifle is a sure thing, and prone even more so.
 
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