So you folks actually lay on the ground to shoot a deer? Thankfully I've never had to do that.
Sharkey
So you folks actually lay on the ground to shoot a deer? Thankfully I've never had to do that.
Sharkey
We don't have so many nasty insects and snakes that may kill us when we crawl through the freezing mud !So you folks actually lay on the ground to shoot a deer? Thankfully I've never had to do that.
Sharkey
We don't have so many nasty insects and snakes that may kill us when we crawl through the freezing mud !
\Yes but you have "freezing mud". You'd get some very strange looks if you lay down on the ground to shoot at an animal down here, even if the ooglies were absent. It's a very interesting hunting/cultural difference.
We don't have that many nasties anyway. I've only been bitten by a funnel web spider twice, half a dozen times by red backs & about the same with whitetail spiders. Never been bitten by a snake, though I see lots & never been bitten by a shark, although a couple have tried during my 20 years of competitive spearfishing & twice yearly spearfishing trips into the Coral Sea (hence the nick name). You Pommies really do overplay the dangers from our wildlife.
Sharkey
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We only have rattle snakes, wolverines, wolves, bears, mountain lions, the occasional pi$$ed off badger, moose, or bison, and fleas. (Bubonic Plague, don't you know??) ~Muir
All this talk of three shot groups worrys me, the deer keep lyin down after the first shot, I think I need a fully auto to get them in.
Yes, it's strange how we tend to emphasise the ability to produce cloverleaf groups and ragged holes on targets rather than the first shot from a cold, clean barrel going where it's intended. Surely that's where we should really be striving for accuracy and confidence in your rifle?
If that first shot is awry, there's no point slinging another one down the barrel and putting it through the same hole. The original target, let alone the next one, is going to be more than 3 MOA away!
Yes, it's strange how we tend to emphasise the ability to produce cloverleaf groups and ragged holes on targets rather than the first shot from a cold, clean barrel going where it's intended. Surely that's where we should really be striving for accuracy and confidence in your rifle?
If that first shot is awry, there's no point slinging another one down the barrel and putting it through the same hole. The original target, let alone the next one, is going to be more than 3 MOA away!
Why not a selection of targets like this? Seperate targets means no focussing on group size.
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If your shot lands within 1" of the target its 1moa (roughly). You can do all 5, take an average and that's your 5 shot group.
Always done with a cold bore from field positions.
I think the point Muir is making is that there are 2 MOA and 3 MOA rifles out there, but a good shot can get every bit out of them for hunting out to 150 and 200 yards, because he his not going to add any slop to the shot.
Yes, it's strange how we tend to emphasise the ability to produce cloverleaf groups and ragged holes on targets rather than the first shot from a cold, clean barrel going where it's intended. Surely that's where we should really be striving for accuracy and confidence in your rifle?
If that first shot is awry, there's no point slinging another one down the barrel and putting it through the same hole. The original target, let alone the next one, is going to be more than 3 MOA away!
Why not a selection of targets like this? Seperate targets means no focussing on group size.
View attachment 51066
If your shot lands within 1" of the target its 1moa (roughly). You can do all 5, take an average and that's your 5 shot group.
Always done with a cold bore from field positions.