Heym SR20
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For some peoples, the green soup is a delicacy and often their only source of green vegetable matter.Then you can have green soup with your venison
Lead ban date announced
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Spurious. See above "but these last for a few million bullets" - evidently the tooling would have needed replacement more recently than 60 years in the majority of cases. Barnes uses old equipment too, so that will also be depreciated, and in accordance with your idea would therefore be considerably cheaper.
I use lead bullets designed in 2012 (ELD-X) while the copper Barnes TTSX was designed in 2003.
See above. Neither claim is convincing.
This is not an "as always". Often that is the case, but often the opposite is the case.
Not much. Most RFDs hold pretty small stocks. In any event, the argument is unconvincing because that factor would affect lead and copper ammunition to an equal extent.
Unbelievable
Barnes does this sort of thing and glhsve been for decades, yet the bullets are still twice the price
Where did you originate this fact? Is there any data on it or are you just assuming?
There already appears to be considerable competition with many manufacturers....still no sign of the supposedly consequent price reductions. By what year do you expect this to happen given that copper manufacturers have been mass producing for over two decades and apparently none of these reductions has yet occurred?
That depends on people's personal arrangements and is not relevant anyway.
Last week, I walked out of the door, shot three deer and the cost of the ammunition was 100% of the cost of stalking. Equally irrelevant.
It's not when it also requires people to buy new guns or where irreplaceable guns are rendered unusable. At best, it doubles the cost for people who fire ammunition at a greater rate than 8 or 10 rounds a week.
The whole thing is a delusional group idiocy, a large mental leap backwards for no real purpose at all. Nothing will be improved by binning lead ammunition. No species will do better. Nobody will be better off. None of the benefits claimed by the scientifically illiterate and economically retarded will eventuate. All for the simple reason that anti-lead proponents are simply wrong.
I agree with your latter comments, re cost vs bullet costs.
I doubt they stamp out complete copper bullets, copper jackets are manufacture by drawing copper starting with a small thin disc, which is drawn, annealed, cleaned and then repeated again if required to produce the jacket.
That requires far less press pressure than stamping out a complete solid copper bullet, machines may exist to do that but never seen one possibly because the need for such a machine in bullet manufacturing has not historically been required. Hence solid copper bullets all look to be produced by turning on a lathe from copper bar stock.
Copper bar stock is more expensive to buy than copper sheet, even bar stock price per kg depends on the profile of the bar stock. Have you ever purchased metals form the likes of smiths metal centres?
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Smellydog
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The classic British I fear the establishment.
Is there anything in law that prevents one from storing lead ammunition?
Dunwaters
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Not yet, but the proposed legislation bans ā the sale, use and possessionā of lead ammunition post transition period.
Dunwaters
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Itās not a suggestion, thats a flat fact. BASC and every other shooting organisation fought the ban. The problem they faced was the REACH conclusion that lead is harmful with no safe level of exposure. That comes from the WHO and no one has been able to contradict the science.Are you suggesting it isnāt BASCās faultā¦..?
BASC had absolutely nothing to do with UK or EU REACH policy dictating a ban on lead ammunition.
BASC did indeed change tack once they saw which way the wind was shifting, there was the ill considered and unsupported
ā voluntary banā. However, they havenāt done too badly, you get to keep your air guns, rim fires and small centre fire rifles.
Look at whatās actually being introduced and compare it with the original proposal if you donāt believe me
Dunwaters
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Looks like somebody was paying attention during the previous 30 years of negotiations with the shooting organisations that went nowhereā¦
Smellydog
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Just ammunition?
All that lead flashing from the church roof is ok mate...the day they ban lead entirely is the day that we are screwed
ammcknockiter
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On the deercast podcast it was suggested that you would have to have a variation on your licence to hold lead ammo.
Whoās going to stop you buying lead bullets in bulk, between then and now?
So that'll mean a nice money earner and I reason come inspect your ammo gun safe.
I wouldn't be surprised if we all end up just handing unused lead ammo to the police unless we have a range to shoot it at
If it comes in we can arrange a mass ranges day across the country just before the deadline to use up unused ammo and commiserate together.
What about people who want to open up the crimp, tip out the lead, reload with steel and cup and re-crimp?
If bismuth 28 bore/410/2 inch 12 bore remains above Ā£2.20 per cartridge, it could be an option.
Its been a while since I used my Lee Loader for cartridges and I appreciate wads and cups to hold steel shot have improved a lot, so I'll need to do a bit of learning and refining.
Norfolk Deer Search
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If thatās a case Iāll need to be compensated
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