Smellydog
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The trouble with you is that you like to play devil's advocate. Unfortunately though when you receive counter arguments you struggle to cope and usually disappear again until next time.
Lead ban date announced
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Dunwaters
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The field test is to run a magnet over the ammunition, specifically shotgun ammunition. Steel shot sticks, if it doesn’t stick a sample is taken or the factory package is examined. Rifle ammo is a bit more difficult to be definitive about, I don’t know what the training program will recommend.
Norfolk Deer Search
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I’m loving all this. I think it’s hilarious.
Smellydog
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No it'll be directed to me and what he doesn't know is that I also have non lead alternatives in hand.
He's just a miserable **** end of.
Norfolk Deer Search
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Norfolk Deer Search
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So just a question, as lead is mined from the ground, what happened should a vein of lead be found under your house? Will the government expect you to demolish your house with no compensation?
Smellydog
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So playing devil's advocate, just how you like it, a person with a muzzleloader could have a flask with lead shot, a flask with bismuth and a flask with tungsten type shot on their person.
Smellydog
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What I'm not sure about is that possibly, please someone correct me if wrong, is that bismuth is basically a by product of lead production!
Who in their right mind is going to mine lead to simply supply a tiny return of bismuth?
Norfolk Deer Search
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I’m more concerned about the thousand lead projectiles I’ve just tripped over thatI forgot I had, be interested to see how this compensation lark is gonna go!
Smellydog
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I do offer a lead bullet recycling service you know.
Totally free, except postage naturally.
Currently on open to .308" and .224" but you never know.....
Dunwaters
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True.
I get bored reading the same endlessly regurgitated non arguments backed up by irrelevant “ facts”.
Nobody is planning to remove all the lead water pipes, gutters or flashing. Nobody is going to ban the consumption of bread because theres lead in the grain, no one is going to declare areas with high environmental lead levels uninhabitable and forcibly remove the occupants.
What is definitely on the cards is a statuary ban on certain firearm projectiles containing lead within the UK. What is also clear is that the UK has modelled its proposals on EU legislation, however the EU has run into a few land mines along the way, leaving the UK all on its own.
It looks very likely that the EU ban will extend to shotgun ammo only, and probably only over wetlands.
Its a bit of a mess, which is the main reason I’m not getting my knickers in a twist.
There seems to be a considerable space between REACH’s desire to ban lead ammunition entirely and the practical consequences of achieving it.
Dunwaters
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They could, there would be no problem with the bismuth or tungsten ( only a posh b’stid would have tungsten), the possession of the lead would be illegal post transition.
No, it won’t be. It will be illegal to use the lead but possessing it won’t be an offence of itself. Of course, the police might infer that your intention was to use it, which would cause a problem (particularly as a license can be revoked on the balance of probabilities).
Dunwaters
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They’d probably expect you to sell the house and the mining rights under it and use the money to go live happily ever after somewhere else.
Nope, I’m afraid not.
I’ll be keeping a lookout for reloading gear for my 410 - the economics of reloading it aren’t too bad.
Dunwaters
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See post 147.
Hmm I don't mind too much about the .410, its only a cheapo gun, although I do have nearly 1000 cartridges! But the 28g is a nice side by side worth c £3500 err was! and about 750 cartridges. I guess its like the rather expensively bought netsuke collection I have........
Smellydog
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I have tungsten shot. Use it in my 10g for geese. Does that mean I am a posh bastard?
If so I'll switch back to lead immediately!
What’s your source for that?
It’s no longer proposed legislation, it’s been passed (I’ve not bothered to look into how but at a guess, amendments to REACH can be made by the relevant Minister as secondary legislation).
The amendments which have been published prohibit the use of or the placing on the market of lead projectiles - I can’t see a prohibition on possession (but, as noted above, the circumstances of possession could be used to infer an intention to use/place on the market).
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