243/6mmbr

[see it shoot it]

thanks chaps, I think the br is the way forward for me,1066: the savage looks very nice but id proberbly destroy such a nice rifle bouncing around on the quad and the groups are very good. see it shoot it: I did think about the .243 ai but then I wont be saving on powder/barrel life although I have shot one owned by a friend and it was an awesome round. ian (white beard) everyone seems to agree the br is the best of the 6mm bunch and its good to hear from a fellow Northamptonshire shooter! and nell I was thinking of shooting 80-90gn so would that be the ideal barrel twist?

performance costs,just like tyres on a sports car,you want a rifle to shoot fast flat and hit hard the 243 AI is the way to go,the few pence difference in extra powder is worth the cost,but if you think the 6 BR is top go for it you will need a 10 twist for the weight of bullet you wish to shoot BUT make sure who ever chambers it either has the correct reamer or uses a seperate throating reamer to get the job done right.there is no point spensing good money on a top spec barrel not to have it chambered correctly

 

[Whitebeard]

performance costs,just like tyres on a sports car,you want a rifle to shoot fast flat and hit hard the 243 AI is the way to go,the few pence difference in extra powder is worth the cost,but if you think the 6 BR is top go for it you will need a 10 twist for the weight of bullet you wish to shoot BUT make sure who ever chambers it either has the correct reamer or uses a seperate throating reamer to get the job done right.there is no point spensing good money on a top spec barrel not to have it chambered correctly

Neil Mckillop knows what he is doing and i would not hesitate to recommend him for any barrel work

Ian.

 

[berniebear]

cheers for the advice see it shoot it I was tempted, and ian where does neil work from and contact details?

 

[Whitebeard]

Here you go mate:

McKillop Engineering Ltd
Butlersland Farm
Mortimer
Reading
Berks RG7 2AG
0118 9333100 email: mckillopeng@hotmail.com

Ian.

 

[berniebear]

cheers ian il ring him this week for a chat

 

[RPA 6MM BR]

I have had lots of 243's and a couple of 6mmBR's. Admittedly one of the BR's was an RPA Interceptor but in my experience dont even bother with the 243 whether AI or not. The BR can produce very surprising velocities as its such an efficient case design. I was getting 2920fps with a 105gr AMax and 3970fps with a 58gr Vmax (i dont remember specific recipies and yes they were hot loads that were a little harsh on cases) through the 26" barreled RPA. Both loads would shoot amazingly and it was a 1 in 8 twist rate, here are a couple of groups that i shot with it one afternoon just laying down off a standard Harris swivel bipod. (105gr AMax and ranges lasered with a Swarovski rangefinder). Please ignore the windage and elevation as this was purely a group size experiment. Oh and this rifle would do this day in day out, shot many crows, rabbits, magpies etc whist playing with it out to 489 yards. (That was a magpie)

 

[waterford103]

just called the flo i can have a barrel change to a 6br or 6ppc- .243ai without telling them, as my cert states .243/6mm rifle yeehaa glad i made them put imp and metric down for all rifles and ammo
so who is cheap "n" good in the southeast but puts in good barrels ! now there a Q' As said Styer scout is the rifle .234 at this time which one should i go for! would like flat hard hitting quite as po's and don't need to run over hot to reach there 58/100gr pills
atb paul

OR should i sell mine and get one done??? off the net

Speak to Peter Sarony at Armalon .

 

[rem284]

If I didn't need something which would fit the legal requirements and something with a bit more punch for Red and Sika, I would have 6mmbr or 6mm ppc without a doubt. Cases that are very effective at burning in a rifle that can feed and eject 100% is the way forward

 

[waterford103]

Hi Paul O,
I think you will struggle to find a gunsmith to re barrel the steyr scout as they are not the same, to what is accepted as normal ie the barrel is threaded to the action where as the steyr barrel is heat fitted/shrunk/fused to the action.
Other than sending it back to the factory I've never heard of anybody re barreling them.

Peter Sarony at Armalon does Steyr Mannlicher no problem.

 

[paul o']

Hi Paul O,
I think you will struggle to find a gunsmith to re barrel the steyr scout as they are not the same, to what is accepted as normal ie the barrel is threaded to the action where as the steyr barrel is heat fitted/shrunk/fused to the action.
Other than sending it back to the factory I've never heard of anybody re barreling them.

thanks looks like i will sell it then iam getting this out of it at the mo 1/2" poi so i shall think hard, but now i know whats to be done

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[RPA 6MM BR]

If I didn't need something which would fit the legal requirements and something with a bit more punch for Red and Sika, I would have 6mmbr or 6mm ppc without a doubt. Cases that are very effective at burning in a rifle that can feed and eject 100% is the way forward

Why wont the BR fit the legal requirements? Mine was way over the 1700ft/lb muzzle energy threshold. Oh and i shot a LOT of Reds with both of the 6mm BR's i had. Admittedly that bloody Japanese thing is a tough old brute!

 

[see it shoot it]

I have had lots of 243's and a couple of 6mmBR's. Admittedly one of the BR's was an RPA Interceptor but in my experience dont even bother with the 243 whether AI or not. The BR can produce very surprising velocities as its such an efficient case design. I was getting 2920fps with a 105gr AMax and 3970fps with a 58gr Vmax (i dont remember specific recipies and yes they were hot loads that were a little harsh on cases) through the 26" barreled RPA. Both loads would shoot amazingly and it was a 1 in 8 twist rate, here are a couple of groups that i shot with it one afternoon just laying down off a standard Harris swivel bipod. (105gr AMax and ranges lasered with a Swarovski rangefinder).View attachment 27174View attachment 27175 Please ignore the windage and elevation as this was purely a group size experiment. Oh and this rifle would do this day in day out, shot many crows, rabbits, magpies etc whist playing with it out to 489 yards. (That was a magpie)

not everyone wants a 26 inch barrel and a load that ruins the brass,sounds like you had to ring its neck to get anywhere near the performance of a 243

 

[rem284]

Originally Posted by rem284If I didn't need something which would fit the legal requirements and something with a bit more punch for Red and Sika, I would have 6mmbr or 6mm ppc without a doubt. Cases that are very effective at burning in a rifle that can feed and eject 100% is the way forward

Why wont the BR fit the legal requirements? Mine was way over the 1700ft/lb muzzle energy threshold. Oh and i shot a LOT of Reds with both of the 6mm BR's i had. Admittedly that bloody Japanese thing is a tough old brute!

I just think the 6.5-284 and the straight 284 are more suited to dealing with red and sika(majority of my target species). Must admit I didnt think you would be getting over the legal requirements

 

[george joy]

Peter Sarony at Armalon does Steyr Mannlicher no problem.

Hi Waterford, I wasn't aware of that, thanks for letting me know

 

[RPA 6MM BR]

not everyone wants a 26 inch barrel and a load that ruins the brass,sounds like you had to ring its neck to get anywhere near the performance of a 243

Well thats their choice and i respect that. I did'nt have to load it that hot for it to still be well inside the legal energy threshold. The BR is not at all fussy and is a very easy calibre to load for as it will pretty much shoot anything well. As for accuracy a 243 cant even sniff it!

 

[see it shoot it]

Well thats their choice and i respect that. I did'nt have to load it that hot for it to still be well inside the legal energy threshold. The BR is not at all fussy and is a very easy calibre to load for as it will pretty much shoot anything well. As for accuracy a 243 cant even sniff it!

you have not been around many well built 243 AIs then,your name isnt Ray by any chance

 

[RPA 6MM BR]

Firstly, no my name is not Ray. Secondly, are you dreaming? You must be sniffing something strong if you think a 243AI can match a 6mmBR for accuracy! How many 243AI's do you see on the benchrest line up?....... Oh that would be none then! 300-600 yard benchrest is dominated by the BR PERIOD and anyone on here that does any target shooting will agree, it can even hold its own at 1000 yards in the right conditions. The 6mmBR has set so many accuracy records for a reason, it is by far a more accurate round. Now you can argue all you like but i think its you that needs to go and do your homework before you start running your mouth about a calibre that you know very little about. As for the 243AI yes its ok but as with all AI's their benifits do not outweigh the issues with barrel wear etc.

 

[see it shoot it]

Firstly, no my name is not Ray. Secondly, are you dreaming? You must be sniffing something strong if you think a 243AI can match a 6mmBR for accuracy! How many 243AI's do you see on the benchrest line up?....... Oh that would be none then! 300-600 yard benchrest is dominated by the BR PERIOD and anyone on here that does any target shooting will agree, it can even hold its own at 1000 yards in the right conditions. The 6mmBR has set so many accuracy records for a reason, it is by far a more accurate round. Now you can argue all you like but i think its you that needs to go and do your homework before you start running your mouth about a calibre that you know very little about. As for the 243AI yes its ok but as with all AI's their benifits do not outweigh the issues with barrel wear etc.

as I said you aint been around many well build 243AIs,and yes they do match them and beat them the reason you don't see them nowerdays is the cost of feeding them,yes the BR is a great caliber but only on the bench in the field its a different ball game
done my homework years a go mate that's what I don't own one.

 

[RPA 6MM BR]

Well we will just have to dissagree on this one, as for it not being any good in the field, bo**ocks! I have shot many, many foxes, roe and a shed load of Reds with a BR and it will do the job perfectly well. Shot placement is so easy with such an accurate round. Horses for courses i guess, i am not saying it would be my round of choice if i was shooting primarily Reds or Sika but for Any thing else its the perfect tool which can still get the job done on the larger deer should you be faced with it. As for a rifle for someone that shoots Foxes, Roe and maybe Munties there is not another round i would even consider.

 

[nowler]

i've had 3 ppc's and 2 6mmbr's. superb accuracy with pretty simple load development. 87grain vmax or 95grain berger in the br and batter on. 243's are overbore barrel burners in any of their configurations. i've built and shot a few of them that were super accurate and a well built one will match br's in terms of accuracy on a good day, but barrel life suffers.

get yourself a 6mmbr, 1 in 8 twist and thoated properly for the bullet of your choice.....

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