25-06 or 6.5 creedmoor
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Shaun Goss
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Both great calibres I’ve used both and owned a creedmoor. If it’s different you want then the 25.06 but if it’s ammunition availability/choice and price I would suggest the creedmoor.
Ronin
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The quarter bore is a superb deer cartridge providing you get the right bullet / load combination or you can find reliable source of factory ammunition that suits your rifle
It has served in the US for decades and seen as a prairie / longer range gun and does that very well
The creedmoor - yes it also does the same job
Same ballistics as 260 rem and 6.5/55
If you want to be different go with the “06”
Personally, I would look at 260 or 6.5/55 and reload
It has served in the US for decades and seen as a prairie / longer range gun and does that very well
The creedmoor - yes it also does the same job
Same ballistics as 260 rem and 6.5/55
If you want to be different go with the “06”
Personally, I would look at 260 or 6.5/55 and reload
Both great for shooting deer if that is what you are doing.
Getting a new tikka 25-06 stainless was hard work two weeks ago to replace a damaged one. Apparently all the gun shops said good luck. Tikka don't make them now. My father and I share one on our tickets.
I have a 6.5 CM too. I love shooting both.
Sierra 117gr gamekings are hard to get in .25 now. But I think that is the same for everything loading wise though.
I would go and look at the shops and see what you can buy and what you like.
We got a 25-06 from Melbourne gun. He found a shop that had closed and had a couple if that helps.
If you want one making speak to Ronin (Andy) you won't be disappointed.
Getting a new tikka 25-06 stainless was hard work two weeks ago to replace a damaged one. Apparently all the gun shops said good luck. Tikka don't make them now. My father and I share one on our tickets.
I have a 6.5 CM too. I love shooting both.
Sierra 117gr gamekings are hard to get in .25 now. But I think that is the same for everything loading wise though.
I would go and look at the shops and see what you can buy and what you like.
We got a 25-06 from Melbourne gun. He found a shop that had closed and had a couple if that helps.
If you want one making speak to Ronin (Andy) you won't be disappointed.
Is your slot specifically for 6.5 CM or any 6.5 chambering?
Will you be reloading?
Ammo/bullet availability would be my first concern and 6.5 stuff seems easier to get hold of at the moment.
Will you be reloading?
Ammo/bullet availability would be my first concern and 6.5 stuff seems easier to get hold of at the moment.
Shaun Goss
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Cannot understand How anyone can like a 260 but not a creedmoor, they are so close to being the same thing with a different title. Each to there own
Bullet availability may also be a factor - it was the main reason I went for creedmoor a year or two ago - it just seemed to have the biggest availability when shopping for reloading supplies. And still now, when you go into a gun shop there are always a few selections of bullets for a creedmoor yet 25-06….not so much!
30-06 is the same - there seems to be a good supply for it available as it’s so common.
Ballistically at sensible ranges you would be splitting hairs and the deer will not know the difference!
Regards,
Gixer
30-06 is the same - there seems to be a good supply for it available as it’s so common.
Ballistically at sensible ranges you would be splitting hairs and the deer will not know the difference!
Regards,
Gixer
I have shot with a 25.06 using 117 gn SP Horandy home loads for years and would't change it. However, the 25.06 has a 1:11 twist rate and won't stablise anything much more than a 120 gn. The problem further down the line being non-lead bullets and the need to drive them faster which means dropping bullet weight. Currently I can get a 100 gn SP non-lead which would just make it legal for anything bigger than Roe in Scotland but if you could get a 25.06 with a twist of say 1:8 then bullet weights in excess of 120 gn would stablise and problem solved I which case the 25.06 would be a better option than the Creedmor.
6pt-sika
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You are quite correct when you say “to each their own”.
One of the reasons I built the 25-45, although lead free options are limited for that cartridge.
I’m using the 25-45 a lot more at Bisley now out to 600 yards as 6.5 and .308 bullets are getting expensive and hard to get hold of!
Heym SR20
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Back in the last century, in the days before rangefinders, moderators, twiddly turrets and Creedmoors I used an estate rifle - a Sako TRGS in 25-06 with a fixed 10x42 S&B scope. It was a superb open hill rifle and I shot a lot of hinds with out to long ranges. It was flat shooting and hit hard.
I did look at getting one as an all round rifle and in particular for use on Roe in farmland where ranges are much less. The high velocity and meat damage put me off.
However in these days of monolithic bullets I think the bullet blow problem is sorted.
Is the 25-06 better than others - yes and no. Its faster with 100gn bullet than the 243. It’s like a 243 with an 80gn bullet but its shooting a 110 to 120gn at the same sorts of speeds.
Better than a 270 - probably not and the 270 can shoot bigger bullets, but if a 243 is sufficient for big deer, a 25-06 certainly is.
The 6.5s work on a different philosophy. They shoot long heavy for calibre bullets at modest velocities, rather than a light for calibre bullet at high velocity.
They cause less mess close up, but retain their energy downrange. Due to lack of velocity, their trajectory is less flat for the first 250 to 300m but then they maintain their velocity down range. Also less affected by wind.
The 6.5x55, 6.5x54 and 7x57 were developed as military cartridges in the late 1800’s where the ability to hit man sized targets at 1000 yards and provide harassing fire further was a requisite.
And they gained a reputation for being an easy to shoot and able to much bigger animals than they had right to.
Modern iterations such as the 6.5 CM, 7-08 etc still have the fast twist and mimic if not exceed the early velocities, but do so with less powder, and thus recoil.
Going back to the OP question, either is not a wrong choice. If you are shooting open ground, want max point blank range and don’t want the faff of ranging etc, then go as fast as you can. Otherwise more choice will be down to the individual rifle and scope setup rather than the cartridge.
I did look at getting one as an all round rifle and in particular for use on Roe in farmland where ranges are much less. The high velocity and meat damage put me off.
However in these days of monolithic bullets I think the bullet blow problem is sorted.
Is the 25-06 better than others - yes and no. Its faster with 100gn bullet than the 243. It’s like a 243 with an 80gn bullet but its shooting a 110 to 120gn at the same sorts of speeds.
Better than a 270 - probably not and the 270 can shoot bigger bullets, but if a 243 is sufficient for big deer, a 25-06 certainly is.
The 6.5s work on a different philosophy. They shoot long heavy for calibre bullets at modest velocities, rather than a light for calibre bullet at high velocity.
They cause less mess close up, but retain their energy downrange. Due to lack of velocity, their trajectory is less flat for the first 250 to 300m but then they maintain their velocity down range. Also less affected by wind.
The 6.5x55, 6.5x54 and 7x57 were developed as military cartridges in the late 1800’s where the ability to hit man sized targets at 1000 yards and provide harassing fire further was a requisite.
And they gained a reputation for being an easy to shoot and able to much bigger animals than they had right to.
Modern iterations such as the 6.5 CM, 7-08 etc still have the fast twist and mimic if not exceed the early velocities, but do so with less powder, and thus recoil.
Going back to the OP question, either is not a wrong choice. If you are shooting open ground, want max point blank range and don’t want the faff of ranging etc, then go as fast as you can. Otherwise more choice will be down to the individual rifle and scope setup rather than the cartridge.
Ronin
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Simply because not all are “dedicated followers of fashion”
260 and 6.5/55 will do all the creedmoor does without the hype or (some) silly followers
Except come in a readily available 24/26" heavy barrelled new factory rifle which is why my second 6.5x55 slot ended up getting changed to 6.5 CM
I’ve both.
25-06 is factory remmy with a sporter barrel and McMillan edge stock. Really lightweight and the rifle I tend to grab first for a stalk. 100gr ttsx copper bullet and it’s very effective with little meat wastage.
6.5CM is a long M40 barrel profile (think hernia-heavy) and built for targets. Built by Dasherman on here it shoots far better than I can. With 123gr fox bullets it is also very effective on deer, but prefer it for paper.
25-06 is factory remmy with a sporter barrel and McMillan edge stock. Really lightweight and the rifle I tend to grab first for a stalk. 100gr ttsx copper bullet and it’s very effective with little meat wastage.
6.5CM is a long M40 barrel profile (think hernia-heavy) and built for targets. Built by Dasherman on here it shoots far better than I can. With 123gr fox bullets it is also very effective on deer, but prefer it for paper.
Shaun Goss
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Iam not into hype or fashion if it works it works. All of those calibres are fantastic infact in my mind there practically all the same, just the creedmoor is cheap ammo and available due to popularity.
I think the hype and fashion these days seems to be to object the new and stick with the old.
Pretty much all good advice and the reasoning behind it.
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